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Re: GSoC project idea: non-recursive automake project

From: Ralf Wildenhues
Subject: Re: GSoC project idea: non-recursive automake project
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:07:45 +0100
User-agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2010-08-04)

Hi Harlan,

* Harlan Stenn wrote on Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 01:26:58AM CET:
> If there was a student interested in showing how "easy" it was to use
> automake to do non-recursive Makefiles for a project, I'd be willing to
> co-mentor and work with them to convert NTP to that sort of operation.

Thanks for the co-mentoring offer and the SoC idea!

I have a question though: how much work do you expect this to be?
Haven't looked at NTP in a long time, but typically, turning a project
into non-recursive was either a straightforward to trivial task of
maybe 1-2 days for somebody experienced with autotools, or something
difficult to impossible due to limitations in either of Make, Automake,
or third-party bits.

Maybe such a proposal could be enhanced to avoid having not enough work:
For example, while converting NTP, the student could start a document
with a general recipe for this conversion.  And then maybe try it out on
a couple more projects, and possibly refine the recipe along the way.
For students that get very far, they could also try working on
limitations in other tools should they come across them.

This way the student will not get bored.  However, it might be harder
to define specific goals to achieve, or to define success in the end.

Would you be willing to formulate this as a proposal for the GNU
proposals wiki page?

I should note that I certainly don't have unlimited mentoring time.
I expect to be able to mentor one student, and I'm sure co- or backup-
mentoring beside that should be possible, but if we can find another
person to help that would only be good.


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