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RE: [avr-gcc-list] Next version of winavr!!!

From: Brian Cuthie
Subject: RE: [avr-gcc-list] Next version of winavr!!!
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:33:12 -0400

I didn't mean this to sound as harsh as it does. Sorry. But I stand by
the opinion that IDEs don't have to suck by definition.


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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:31 PM
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Subject: RE: [avr-gcc-list] Next version of winavr!!!

Well, clearly you haven't used a good IDE, or you didn't know how to use
it. Lots of production code is developed using IDEs. Nearly every
application for every desktop platform (we're talking the 99% of the
market held by MS/Apple, not the Linux/Unix world) is developed in an
IDE. Most commercial desktop applications are orders of magnitude more
complex than any of the embedded stuff that gets done.

An IDE does offer an additional level of abstraction, and many people
are understandably reluctant to begin using a new one (me included,
sometimes). But more often than not, learning the new tool pays off in


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From: Dave Hansen [mailto:address@hidden 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [avr-gcc-list] Next version of winavr!!!


I could say that "good IDE" is an oxymoron, but that'd be too harsh.
most IDEs make it easy to do simple things.  They're especially useful
get example code up and running quickly.  But they fall apart when
a little.  I find them (for the most part) unsuitable for a production 
environment.  Furthermore, everyone's IDE is different from everyone
  If you have several tool sets from several vendors targeting several 
micros, you have to master each of them.



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