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RE: [Axiom-developer] Fwd: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request

From: Bill Page
Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Fwd: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:59:03 -0400

On September 14, 2006 5:44 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> Ralf Hemmecke writes:
> | Hmmm, I must admit that they are right. We have lots of junk inside
> | our repository. However, we cannot change the situation just by
> | deleting the zips. And zips is only half of the story.
> Yes, we have junk in many places.  This won't change overnight --
> unless we have someone doing cleanup as fulltime job.

Let's agree that it should be at least a part-time job. :)

But I fear that this situation is due to a difference in philosophy.
Tim Daly (and perhaps other earlier Axiom developers) seem to have
used the "everything and the kitchen sink" approach to the *archive*.
Whereas for other people the emphasis is on "source code control".
In that case everything else belongs elsewhere.

> In many vision, even if move zips out (which I can't at the moment),
> we will accrete more than zips, in term of functionality. The
> solution to this issue must be somewhere else.

Could you describe this "vision" a little? What else do you
envisage adding to the Axiom source distribution?

On September 14, 2006 5:22 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote:
> ... 
> But look at that file: src/input/mapleok.input.pamphlet
> -rw-------   1 hemmecke hemmecke 234633 2006-09-13 10:03 
> mapleok.input.pamphlet
> Who is going to read that???

I think this is a good example of something that belongs elsewhere
if we agree that the purpose of this archive is source code control.
I think keeping these sorts of documents on the Axiom Wiki (or the
Axiom Portal if it is personal research), makes better sense than
mixing it into the source. I understand Tim's purpose in associating
it with the "input" files since these are the closest thing that
Axiom has to actual test files.
> Has someone looked at the pictures in src/doc/ps ?
> To me more than half of them look generated by Axiom, the rest
> is screenshots of HyperDoc. Both have terribly low resolution.

Yes, some are quite terrible and contribute to the rather rough
appearance, for example of the Axiom Tutorial book. We should
be able to do better.

As I said earlier, I don't think things that can be generated
from Axiom belong in the archive. The instructions for generating
them - yes, but not the output.

Gaby wrote:
>  [About installing an SVN server on]
> Bill, if you transform into the SVN server
> I fear that it becomes heavily loaded -- let alone situations
> where several people hammer on the SVN server to get source out.
> I have no other good solution at the moment.

We already have both tla and darcs archives on
These do not seem to lead to any significant load on the server.
Do you really expect that SVN is that much worse??
> How much does a 100G drive cost these days?

Peanuts at the supermarket, or on your desktop. But if you ask
Google how much does it cost, they would have to add the
proportional amortized cost of the data center and the system
operations and maintenance staff, etc... I think it becomes
non-trivial. :)

Bill Page.

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