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bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. |
Date: |
Wed, 04 May 2016 20:03:43 +0300 |
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:48:49 +0000
> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
>
> > > That theory _is_ wrong, certainly amongst Emacs developers. Even in this
> > > bug thread, two other people have expressed negative sentiments about
> > > this matter.
>
> > So we have 3 people against that. Is it really enough?
>
> That's three people in this thread. Over the months, more people have
> expressed unhappinness about curly quotes, in the various ways they have
> been imposed on us. Yes, I think that is enough.
I don't. Please let's wait until 25.1 is released, the only way to
change this decision is if we see a lot of complaints about this.
> The comments from the other two people have been less than fully
> respectful, and at least one of them is not known for making snide
> remarks. What does that tell you?
That some people don't like this. But we knew that back when it was
decided to have this feature.
> Put frankly, the curly quote stuff was installed into Emacs without there
> being any consensus in favour of it, and was deliberately done in such a
> way that it could not be disabled (see below).
Not true. If there were no consensus, at least not a wide enough one,
this wouldn't have been admitted. The objections were not numerous
enough and strong enough to prevent these changes.
> > > They're not - they're literal characters.
>
> > So is %.
>
> You can escape a % by writing %%. That will consistently be output as %.
> There is no comparable form of escape for the quote characters.
Yes, there is: use "%s" as the first argument to 'message'. Which is
a Good Thing anyway, as we all know.
> If it is too late to go into 25.1, can we put a fix into 25.2?
I see no reason not to install a change along these lines on master,
if the new value is not the default.
> And yet again, I suggest `text-quoting-style' should become a
> configurable option, giving users the ability to chose how THEY want
> messages to be displayed.
And I yet again urge you to wait until 25.1 hits the streets, and we
see what the Emacs community at large thinks about this.
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., (continued)
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2016/05/03
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2016/05/03
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2016/05/03
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2016/05/03
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2016/05/03
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Josh, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., John Wiegley, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2016/05/04
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2016/05/05