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bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.
From: |
Alan Mackenzie |
Subject: |
bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. |
Date: |
Fri, 9 Jun 2017 20:38:20 +0000 |
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Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) |
Hello, Drew.
On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 13:17:01 -0700, Drew Adams wrote:
> > This would render format strings containing these new specifiers
> > unusable on Older Emacsen. This would be worked around by providing
> > advice to message, to be applied by external packages using the new
> > specifiers.
> Just what did you have in mind for that?
That this advice, applied to message in Emacs <26, would strip the %
from %` and %' in format strings. So that, for example, the format
string "%`%s%'" would get converted to "`%s'" for older Emacsen.
> > There would be a significant amount of work amending format strings
> > which currently use ` and ' to use %` and %'.
> That's the problem for Emacs maintainers. But the problem for
> 3rd-party code is much bigger, because it often needs to support
> more than just the latest release. Clement pointed this out well.
This is the purpose of the above advice to message.
> A user, including a Lisp user, should be able to write ' or ` and
> get what s?he writes. No behind-the-scenes application of makeup.
> No prettying-up at all - you write ' and you get '. Simple. Clear.
> Lovely. Useful. No need for high-heels.
I agree with you completely, which is why I am proposing this amendment.
> > I think the topic has been pretty thoroughly discussed. Are there any
> > objections remaining to me implementing this change and committing it to
> > master?
> Sorry, but I cannot be in favor of this proposal, as I understand
> it so far.
That puzzles me, since we seem to agree about everything else on this
issue.
> But I'm even less in favor of what's already been done: making
> quote-translation the default behavior. That's both a tragedy
> and a travesty. I cannot imagine what the maintainers were
> thinking when they let this one get through.
> It's fine to provide easy ways to _allow_ for different kinds of
> quote translation. But quote chars (including but not limited to
> ` and ') should NOT be translated by default.
This is what I am proposing: a ` or ' in the format string should stand
for itself, like any other character bar %. %` would get translated
either to itself or a curly quote, depending on the user's settings.
> By default, chars should be respected for what they are. Emacs
> should not substitute other chars just because someone working
> on Emacs development considered the substitute chars prettier
> or more modern. That's nuts. One overly zealous coder wreaked
> havoc, and we'll be wrestling with the result for a long time.
I agree with you. In message format strings, % should be _the_ special
character. We need one. We don't need more than one.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Clément Pit-Claudel, 2017/06/07
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Dmitry Gutov, 2017/06/07
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2017/06/07
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2017/06/07
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2017/06/07
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2017/06/08
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2017/06/08
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2017/06/09
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Drew Adams, 2017/06/09
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.,
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- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Drew Adams, 2017/06/09
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- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Glenn Morris, 2017/06/09
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2017/06/10
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2017/06/09
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Drew Adams, 2017/06/09
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Paul Eggert, 2017/06/09
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2017/06/10
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., David Engster, 2017/06/10
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Eli Zaretskii, 2017/06/10
- bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote., Alan Mackenzie, 2017/06/10