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use of locale in "ls" again (Re: Japanese expression of date)


From: Tomohiro KUBOTA
Subject: use of locale in "ls" again (Re: Japanese expression of date)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:41:38 +0900
User-agent: Wanderlust/2.8.0 (Something-pre) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (Unebigoryōmae) APEL/10.3 Emacs/20.7 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.1 (AOI)

Hi,

I read most part of the original discussion starting from
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/bug-gnu-utils/2001-December/008131.html
and I found there are a few points which are forgotten.

1. We should think separately
   - whether German people accept ISO expression or not
   and
   - whether all people in the world accept ISO expression or not.
   We can discuss here the former point but cannot the latter, because
   people from all over the world are not here.

2. Whether to take 'localization' or 'standardization' in this case.
   Standardization way is possible only when people all over the world
   agree.  We may discuss now on whether German people will accept
   ISO date expression and we may or may not conclude that German will
   do.  However, it does not mean people all over the world will do.
   Thus, in this case, 'localization' way should be taken.

3. How about 'dired'-like problem?
   GNU Emacs (and other softwares) should be portable and it should
   work well not only under GNU system but also under BSD, Solaris,
   IRIX, AIX, and so on.  Developers of GNU fileutils can control
   the behaviour of GNU 'ls' but cannot control 'ls' for such other
   systems.  Thus, 'dired' must manage this problem regardless of
   whether GNU 'ls' takes 'standardization' way (date expression is
   ISO regardless of locale) or 'localization' way (date expression
   is localized).  Thus we have no reason to discuss on 'dired'
   problem here.

Conclusion:  'localization' way is better.  'standardization' way
has no merits.

Of course it is German people's freedom to write ISO date expression
in de.po file.  Since I am not a native German speaker, I don't and
shoudn't have any opinion on the concrete contents of de.po file.

---
Tomohiro KUBOTA <address@hidden>
http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
"Introduction to I18N"  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/



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