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Re: [Bug-gnubg] Promoting gnubg

From: Nardy Pillards
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Promoting gnubg
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:38:02 +0100

On 12 Nov 2003 at 13:14, Jim Segrave wrote:

> On Wed 12 Nov 2003 (11:14 +0100), Achim Mueller wrote:
> > * Christopher D. Yep wrote on 11 Nov 2003:
> > 
> > > There are probably a substantial number of backgammon players who
> > > have never heard of gnubg or who are intimidated of
> > > downloading/installing files over the Internet.  Has anyone
> > > thought of producing gnubg CDs (a full installation + manual) to
> > > give (actually sell at $1-2 each, i.e. cost only, no profit) to
> > > backgammon distributors around the world (e.g. Gammon Press, Carol
> > > Joy Cole, Backgammon Shop, etc.)?  Would this be useful?
> > 
> > We already talked about this at Nordic Open this year. Ken Arnold
> > was distributing gnubg on ca. 7000 Gamesgrid CDs.
> > 
> > If gnubg will be distributed on cd there are a few questions:
> > 
> > - What about the money, where do we open an account?
> > - Who will organize burning the cds, printing the cover, label, etc?
> > - What else do we put on the cd (i.e. bigger databases)? - Finally:
> > Will there be a demand on the cds in times of adsl?
> Given the rate of changes being made (and, to be honest, bugfixes as
> well), there's a lot to be said for not making large numbers of CDs.
> Putting up an ISO of a CD, with the various versions for Windows, Unix
> tarball, MAC-OS version, databases and installers might be nice, the
> anyone who wants to download an ISO and put it on a CD can do so. For
> those who might want to distribute gnubg, CD-burners are ubiquitous
> these days and CDRs are so cheap that it doesn't make sense to produce
> CDs in advance of actual demand (and it prevents ending up with a pile
> of CDs with an annoying bug in the version or lacking some new nifty
> feature). 
> If traffic is an issue, I can provide space on ftp.demon.nl for a copy
> of the downloads, including room for a some ISOs - say 10Gb or so. I
> can also arrange mirroring. So if there's an issue with traffic levels
> from www.gnubg.org (or if Nardy has one for his skynet account, or
> Oystein with his), then setting this up and putting links on the
> various sites to ftp.demon.nl's copy might be a real savings.

Bandwidth isn't a problem here (ISP Skynet.be, don't know about 
but I am limited to 50 MB storage space.

The one and two sided bearoff databases (the bigger ones) would be of 
interest for the gnubg users.

And also the 'real' Hypergammon database (3 checkers).
Personally, I still can't create it myself, so I would be interested 
for sure ;-)

The most recent Win32 builds, the language packages, new 
boards.xml,... the fast altering files:
I could mirror them (or let them mirror) to another server.


> Advantages:
> Demon NL is very well connected and has a *lot* of outgoing bandwidth
> available - we wouldn't notice 20GB to 50GB/day outbound, as our ADSL
> customers inbound traffic is so large in comparision.
> Disadvantages:
> I would need to learn how to set up the mirroring software. But I know
> that several of my staff are familiar with this, so it's not really a
> problem. 
> I am not in a position to allow non-staff to administer even a
> download area on our servers, so it has to be mirrored from somewhere
> else.
> There is a limit on the number of simultaneous anonymous connections,
> though I don't think it's ever been hit - we're not a major ftp site
> and I doubt we'd ever hit more than 10 to 15 simultaneous connections.
> Anonymous connections still require that reverse DNS exists, so people
> with truly incompetent ISPs would be unable to download (or might have
> to go through someone's web proxy server).
> -- 
> Jim Segrave           address@hidden

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