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Re: Fixing grub-probe to work with user-space part stores


From: Carl Fredrik Hammar
Subject: Re: Fixing grub-probe to work with user-space part stores
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 17:28:57 +0200
User-agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14)

Hi,

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 08:22:14PM +0200, address@hidden wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 07:51:07PM +0200, Carl Fredrik Hammar wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 08:00:24PM +0200, Jérémie Koenig wrote:
> 
> > > The first one would be to make part.c embed extra information in its
> > > stores and their encoded form (possibly in the "misc" fiels of a
> > > remap store).
> [...]
> > > It would also change the existing principle by which stores and
> > > storage_info provide a way to access the underlying storage in the
> > > most direct way possible, as opposed to encoding the history of how
> > > the store was constructed.
> [...]
> > It could also be a good idea to have a proper part store instead of
> > just remapping the device store.  Then, you could just look at the
> > name of the part store to get the partition number.
> 
> This wouldn't remove the philosophy break though -- on the contrary, it
> would be make it even more pronounced...

Hmm, this is true.

> > The only way this could work reliably is if we introduce a new RPC
> > file_get_underlying_storage_info(), which returns the backing store
> > used by the filesystem.  (I'm not sure if this should be in fs.defs or
> > fsys.defs though.)  This would be a hurdish analogy to st_dev thin is
> > returned by stat(), except that it returns a store instead of a device
> > number.  IIRC grub-probe on other systems matches st_dev with the
> > st_rdev of device files, but this doesn't work on Hurd because having
> > stable device numbers in a distributed system is actually quite hard.
> 
> I also considered this option. It doesn't really solve the problem
> though... It would remove the ambiguity of specific translator
> parameters -- but at least for all the existing FS translators, these
> are rather straightforward anyways. The real problem is the ambiguity of
> store representations. Kernel partitions; part stores on kernel devices;
> and userspace drivers -- they can all refer to the same partition in
> different ways. And when using additional translation stores (remap
> etc.), then even within the same device scheme it can happen that
> different representations refer to the same partition. It would be quite
> complex to cover even all the standard cases; and each new store type
> would require extra handling.

After thinking about it, I agree.  However, I still believe this RPC is
needed none the less to make the below possible.

> > > The second one, which I favor and am working on so far, would be to
> > > enumerate the _grub_ devices, and use get_storage_info() on them
> > > too. We would compare the result with that of the file being looked
> > > up, and use the grub-detected partition information to deteremine on
> > > which _grub_ device the file resides. The result would be converted
> > > to a system device node path by using the device.map information.
> [...]
> > This is a bit hacky but could be a good intermediate solution if your
> > not comfortable with adding a new RPC that isn't strongly related to
> > your project.
> 
> I'm not convinced so far that this is indeed more hacky than the other
> approach mentioned above...
> 
> GRUB effectively needs a three-way mapping between filesystems, device
> node names, and GRUB device names. The mapping between GRUB devices and
> the /dev/hd* device node names is almost trivial. (Assuming that the
> device nodes follow a standard naming scheme.) The tricky part is
> mapping filesystems either to GRUB devices *or* to device node names.
> 
> Mapping directly to device node names requires a full understanding of
> the store information obtained from the filesystem (whether extracted
> from command line parameters, or with a special RPC) -- for all possible
> device schemes. Finding out the GRUB devices (using GRUB's own partition
> handling code) OTOH requires only a basic understanding of the various
> device schemes; while the blanks are filled in by a probing mechanism,
> which can be made pretty robust I believe. My current impression is that
> it's actually the more flexible solution...

The main problem is that file_get_storage_info() might not return a
remapped version of its underlying store.  In fact, the more I think
about it the more I realize that doing so is a bug.  Consider what
would happen if a file that backs a filesystem is modified or removed.
Then, the mapping of the file would change but the file-backed filesystem
would continue using the old mapping that could contain blocks that are
now reused.  The result would be corruption of the top-level filesystem.
Now granted, touching a file that backs a filesystem is never a good
idea, but it should never result in corruption of the filesystem that
contains the file (only the filesystem that is backed by the file).

There are also other problems like the file is on a filesystem backed
by another file on a filesystem backed by a partition would result in
grub-probe mistakenly thinking that the file is on the partition.

Still, the above would work as long as an RPC that returns the
filesystem's store, rather then the file's store, is used.

Regards,
  Fredrik



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