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Re: Issue 1701 in lilypond: default accidental style prints too many 'ex

From: bruys .
Subject: Re: Issue 1701 in lilypond: default accidental style prints too many 'extra' naturals
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:27:43 +1000

An interesting question. I can't say I have. The trouble is, is that as soon
as you get a both a flattened and a sharpened note within the same bar, you
are likely to be looking at something fairly recent. The original bug
observation, too, referred to the flattened note being in the key signature.
I can imagine there might have been some composers who might have used a
single sharp when the flat was in the key signature, but a natural and sharp
combination to cancel a flattened note that actually appeared in the same
bar. But, finding an example of a consistent practice of that is going to be
practically impossible.

In the Ninth Edition (1955) of the Oxford Companion to Music, it mentions
that sometimes (although "rarely") a doubled natural sign is used to cancel
a double sharp or a double flat sign. I haven't seen that, either.

Mind you, all the references seem to suggest that the combination of a
natural sign with a sharp or flat sign is redundant, anyway, and don't
recommend it even for setting older music. We can agree that the
combination's use was standard practice to cancel a doubled accidental, and
it's great to have the option available, but maybe it shouldn't be the


On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:32 AM, <address@hidden> wrote:

> Comment #6 on issue 1701 by address@hidden: default accidental style
> prints too many 'extra' naturals
> http://code.google.com/p/**lilypond/issues/detail?id=1701<http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1701>
>  I believe the [wikipedia] source quoted in that message is wrong.
> Well, that is too strong a statement.  It says that "some composers put a
> natural" in front of ges following gis.  Probably some composers do, but I
> have never seen it.
> Has anyone seen the extra natural without a preceding double-accidental
> consistently that it might have been standard?
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