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Re: GNU Classpath 0.14 released

From: Mark Wielaard
Subject: Re: GNU Classpath 0.14 released
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:06:01 +0100

On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 16:18 -0700, Tom Tromey wrote:
> >>>>> "Etienne" == Etienne Gagnon <address@hidden> writes:
> Etienne> As usual, Mark has forgotten to include SableVM in the list
> Etienne> of runtimes that use GNU Classpath.  It is understandable, I
> Etienne> guess, as he does not use SableVM for development

I did not forget. I just didn't think it was relevant for the release
announcement to mention. The release announcement was mainly about the
achievement we all made with finally getting libgcj and kaffe much more
merged then before. And that 0.14 could be seen as a kind of pre-release
for the upcoming major releases of these development platforms which are
now finally being broadly adopted by the major distributions. We didn't
really concentrate on listing all the different compilers and runtimes
this time. I do use sablevm from time to time. But you just announced a
new sablevm that used a forked sablevm-classpath CVS snapshot on our
list an hour before and when I talked to you on irc about using sablevm
against official GNU Classpath releases you said it didn't support this
release out of the box and that there was no documentation for it.

The ones that were listed were just there because of some copy-paste
from an older release announcement on which we based this one. It looked
like the right list of runtimes to recommend to people not wanting to
install a full JDK replacement like gcc or kaffe but that would just
want to quickly setup a and play with this release. There is an explicit
section on all the runtime engines and compilers based on GNU Classpath
in it and a link to
If something is missing there please supply a patch for

> As for competition, as I see it, that is your view which you are
> projecting on Mark.  I'm certain it isn't his, as Mark often extols
> the benefits of having multiple Classpath-using VMs available.  (And,
> in case it matters, it isn't my view either.)

Correct. I don't see sablevm as competition at all to GCC or GNU
Classpath. It is just one of the things you can do on top of it. I am
probably as much a gcc developer as I am a kaffe, jamvm, kissme, orp,
jikesrvm or sablevm developer. Of course I contribute patches to them
when I can and find time. But I mainly work on GNU Classpath. I really
don't care that much about the execution model people use. We all share
the same problem space. We just concentrate on different
specialisations. I do learn a lot from the diversity. I hope others also
learn a lot.



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