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Re: [Denemo-devel] A good idea.

From: Richard Shann
Subject: Re: [Denemo-devel] A good idea.
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:08:52 +0000

On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 13:35 +0100, Nils Gey wrote:
> This is of course right. 
> But all tools which offer complexity have to suffer under these issues. All 
> the CLI-apps like irssi, alpine, mutt, centerim, rtorrent etc. are 
> "nerd"-tools but only because they look "ugly" and you have to use your 
> keyboard.
> But Denemos first customers are people who like lilypond but don't want to 
> add everything by themselfes. So its a improvement nontheless (right word?
"nonetheless" is a lovely word for this meaning.
> ... anyway)
> What can be done about this problems is what other apps like the mentioned 
> above do:
> Communitywork and Doc-Work paired with PR-work to show how great Denemo is 
> once we decide that its now really great. 
> I could make video-tutorials about all the cool keyboard/mouse/pc-keyboard 
> features. 

> And we could offer many keymaps.
This is something that we need to think about - too many keymaps and
after trying one or two the user may give up, too difficult to find what
they would want. 
> At least users don't have to deal with text-config files and can setup Denemo 
> per GUI.
The ease of set up is one of the things that I use: I rarely remember
the keypress for something - I often set one up on the spot, as soon as
I realize that I have to do something over and over again.
> Nils
> P.S. its nice to have different words in German for pc-keyboard and 
> music-keyboard :)
Yes - you have spotted that I became aware at the outset that we could
easily have emails misunderstood for lack of a good vocabulary - I
didn't think of pc-keyboard though (I don't habitually use the "word"
pc). Perhaps I could refer to the music keyboard as the clavier, but
people dipping in to the mailing list may not understand - indeed they
may well not understand music keyboard, midi-keyboard would be better.

> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:36:53 +0000
> Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Yes, I take it for granted that no forced control system will be
> > embedded. We will only add extra customization possibilities.
> > 
> > The problem that may arise is that the customization will become so
> > tricky to do that users will give up. And if, in addition, the
> > alternative to the default set of controls is a heap of
> > unclassified/undocumented/un-thought-out command sets then that will be
> > bad.
> > In that case, the user may say: I don't like it as it is, and it is too
> > difficult to choose or create something else.
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:12 +0100, Nils Gey wrote:
> > > This is indeed a good idea. But there is a difference between
> > > possibilities of controlling and forced controlls. If you can just hit
> > > normal keys instead of super controll-mode then its all right.
> > > 
> > > Nils, there is a reason vim divides users in two Groups.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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