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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to synchronize feedback between blocks?


From: Dave
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] How to synchronize feedback between blocks?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:01:11 -0700 (PDT)

i remember the gr-fsk4 demodulator uses the message queue to send frequency 
correction info to a pre-demod freq-xlating filter.
Check out the code here maybe it will help 
http://7120804464424340617-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/radiorausch/GnuradioFourLevelFSK.html

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:35 AM, Martin Braun <address@hidden> wrote:

Thanks Matt, and Michael, for your input.

To clarify: I was thinking about a frequency offset detection at a later
stage in the demodulation process, which feeds back the frequency offset
to an initial xlating FIR filter (I do realise feeding back individual
samples is kind of ridiculous from a scheduling POV).

Another question: will the message interface be able to send messages
"backwards" in the flow graph?

Thanks
MB


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 09:07:27AM -0700, Matt Ettus wrote:
y(n) = x(n) + x(n-2)

This is easy and already supported in GNU Radio, since it is not
feedback.  Perhaps you meant:

y(n) = x(n) + y(n-1)

Which would be feedback, and is not currently supported.  You can,
of course, do it *within* a block, like our IIR filter blocks.


My question is: can GNU Radio be modified to accept this? It's a
perfectly valid flow graph (similar to ones you find in DSP textbooks),
and thanks to the history of the delays, one that should work. I'd be
very interested to hear some comments on this.

Cheers
MB


Assuming you meant the feedback version I mentioned above, the
current GNU Radio scheduler does not allow this.  The changes to
support it would be significant, but not impossible.  Eric would be
better positioned to explain it, but here is my take on it.

First, you would need to be able to communicate the amount of delay
to the scheduler, so it could insert leading zeros for time when it
does not have feedback values.  This is because the adder would not
have its own previous output in order to produce its first input.

Second, you would need to check for deadlock.  If you were to put
variable rate blocks in the loop, you could end up with deadlock.

Third, blocks in GNU Radio usually take large blocks of input and
produce large blocks of output.  If you were to do your block like
above, you could only produce 1 output per call, which would result
in very high overhead and poor performance.

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