Re: Gorm Proposals

[Calvin Mitchell]

i mean that Gorm (after i've taken the control from the palette and placed it 
on the app window) gives the NSTableView a name it thinks is fit without asking 
me.

Still learning the environment i keep working and add other controls.

Later i wish to change the name Gorm gave the control ("GormTableView(1-n)"), 
even though i've "connected" it to other objects.

When i try to change its name Gorm crashes...i've Gorm 0.5.0.

-- 
Calvin Mitchell
IT Professional, Pianist, Composer, Author
http://www.geocities.com/calvin674/
calvin674@yahoo.com
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>    1. Re: WebCore (Michael B.)
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>    5. RE: [Interfacewm-discuss] InterfaceWM Updates
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>    6. Re: GNUstep on MS Windows (Bj?rn Giesler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:09:44 -0800
>  From: "Michael B." <usemike@spamblocked.com>
> Subject: Re: WebCore
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:36:31 +0100, stefan wrote:
> 
>> some stuff
> 
> This is absolutely fantastic.  With your work and that of others, we might
> have a GNUstep browser within months or even weeks.  This is the one app
> really needed to complete GNUstep as a desktop, if you ask me 8)
> 
> -- 
> Mike's Patented Blocklist; compile with gcc:
> 
> i=0;o(a){printf("%u",i>>8*a&255);if(a){printf(".");o(--a);}}
> main(){do{o(3);puts("");}while(++i);}
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:36:48 -0500
>  From: Calvin Mitchell <calvin674@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Gorm Proposals
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> When i change the name of an object (i.e., when i apply an NSTableView from 
> the pallete and Gorm gives it the name GormTableView) that has been connected 
> to other objects, etc., Gorm should not crash.
> 
> The name change should cascade through the project.
> 
> This, however does not happen.
> 
> -- 
> Calvin Mitchell
> IT Professional, Pianist, Composer, Author
> http://www.geocities.com/calvin674/
> calvin674@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:34:56 -0800
>  From: "Chris B. Vetter" <chrisv@web4inc.com>
> Subject: Re: Killer Apps...
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:02:06 +0100
> Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf <lars.sonchocky-helldorf@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> How about porting Chess.app (based on GNUchess:
> [...]
>> This is already in Objective-C - just needs to be ported to GNUstep.
> 
> I tried earlier this year (at least, I wanted to) -- it's ObjC++
> 
>> And by the way, please don't name your apps GSsomething many here  consider 
>> this bad style.
> 
> How true,
> 
> -- 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:31:56 +0000
>  From: Pete French <pete@twisted.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: GNUstep on MS Windows
> To: fedor@doc.com, fredkiefer@gmx.de
> Cc: leigh@leighsmith.com, stefan@agentfarms.net,
>       discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
> Message-ID: <E1AQspw-00012V-Hu@toybox.twisted.org.uk>
> 
>> when I compiled a small list of tasks and promissed to join in, if others 
>> take over some of it. No responce at all.
> 
> Maybe we just dont have anyone here who knows anything about Windows ?
> I have never seriouslyconsidered cntributing anything to the Win32 port
> because I know absolutelynothing about the Windows API and thus dont
> think I could be of any help whatsoever. The nature of GNUstep is
> to attract UNIX people. I'm note sure its apathy, just a lack of skills.
> 
> -bat.
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:54:15 +0800
>  From: Rogelio M.Serrano Jr. <rogelio@smsglobal.net>
> Subject: RE: [Interfacewm-discuss] InterfaceWM Updates
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> Do we have single click launch on IWM? I like the single-click
> mode on WindowMaker so much that im ignoring some other focus problems.
> 
> On 2003-12-02 00:04:25 +0800 "Mondragon, Ian" 
> <ian.mondragon@bankofamerica.com> wrote:
> 
>> Forgot this *small* issue:
>> 
>> 6.  Clients now focus properly :-)
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>   From: Mondragon, Ian Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:59 AM
>> To: interfacewm-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net; discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
>> Cc: greg_casamento@yahoo.com; cbv@knuddel.org; eric@linuxstep.org
>> Subject: [Interfacewm-discuss] InterfaceWM Updates
>> 
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>>    More InterfaceWM updates:
>> 
>> 1. Color loading issues that affected titlebar font appearance have been
>> resolved - both focused and unfocused text appear.
>> 2. Fixed bug that was causing IWM to crash when GNUstep pop-up dialogs (or
>> any client window without a minimize button) appeared.
>> 3. Fixed border width issue with clients causing ugliness.
>> 4. As a TEMPORARY SOLUTION, added a ***KDE*** window type atom to the
>> -initializeEWMHDecorations method to resolve problems with GNUstep menus.
>> This is an issue that needs to be resolved within the GNUstep backend, not
>> InterfaceWM.  But until the EWMH window type is set to spec, this will be
>> the only way for GNUstep menus to behave properly under Interface.
>> 5. Began adding texture classes to the IWMGraphics lib (from WindowMaker).
>> These will provide significantly improved graphics in IWM when completed
>> (hopefully within the week), as well as gradient colors.
>> 
>>    Current known issues to tackle first:
>> 
>> 1. Resizing clients leaves the application window at original size.
>> 2. Resizing clients from the right grip is non-functional.
>> 3. Moving clients uses is incorrectly using the cached location.
>> 4. GNUstep application windows are displaying "short" (i.e. some of the top
>> of the window is hidden beneath the titlebar).
>> 
>> - Ian
>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:58:00 +0100
>  From: Bj?rn Giesler <bjoern@giesler.de>
> Subject: Re: GNUstep on MS Windows
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to help. I'm very busy until January, but after that, I can hack on 
> this a bit. IMHO, GNUstep on MS Windows is VERY important and we should have 
> something workable GUI-wise ASAP.
> 
> Regards,
> Björn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:17:31 -0800 (PST)
>  From: Gregory John Casamento <greg_casamento@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Gorm Proposals
> To: calvin674@yahoo.com, discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
> Message-ID: <20031202131731.66914.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com>
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> 
> 
> --- Calvin Mitchell <calvin674@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> When i change the name of an object (i.e., when i apply an NSTableView from 
>> the pallete and Gorm gives it the name GormTableView) that has been 
>> connected to other objects, etc., Gorm should not crash.
> 
> I've just added 10 NSTableViews to a window under Gorm without crashing.  
> Which version of Gorm are you using??  It might be an older version.
> Also, there were a few fixes recently which addressed a double release which
> was occuring when deleting an element (this problem was intermittent).   These
> changes are in CVS.
> 
>> The name change should cascade through the project.
>> 
>> This, however does not happen.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by "cascade through the project".
> 
> Thanks, GJC
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:55:05 -0800 (PST)
>  From: Gregory John Casamento <greg_casamento@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Gorm Proposals
> To: calvin674@yahoo.com, discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
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> Calvin,
> 
> I finally realized what you're trying to do here.  Attempting to use "set 
> name"
> on an NSTableView in a window shouldn't be done.   Gorm should prevent you 
> from
> doing this, but it's not and this is a bug.
> 
> I'll fix this problem later on today.
> Thanks, GJC
> 
> --- Calvin Mitchell <calvin674@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> When i change the name of an object (i.e., when i apply an NSTableView from 
>> the pallete and Gorm gives it the name GormTableView) that has been 
>> connected to other objects, etc., Gorm should not crash.
>> 
>> The name change should cascade through the project.
>> 
>> This, however does not happen.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Calvin Mitchell
>> IT Professional, Pianist, Composer, Author
>> http://www.geocities.com/calvin674/
>> calvin674@yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:04:30 +0100
>  From: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
>       <Lars.Sonchocky-Helldorf@bbdo-interone.de>
> Subject: Re: Killer Apps...
> To: "Chris B. Vetter" <chrisv@web4inc.com>
> Cc: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
> Message-ID: <OF5207FD1C.40FC2EE5-ONC1256DF0.005CE067@agencynet.de>
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> On 01.12.2003 18:34:56 "Chris B. Vetter" wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:02:06 +0100
>> Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf <lars.sonchocky-helldorf@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> How about porting Chess.app (based on GNUchess:
>> [...]
>>> This is already in Objective-C - just needs to be ported to GNUstep.
>> 
>> I tried earlier this year (at least, I wanted to) -- it's ObjC++
> 
> Another reason to get ObjC++ support into FSF gcc.
> 
> Wait! Not that I think ObjC++ is a great language by itself (therefor it's 
> just to crude). It is just usefull when you are trying to utilize some C++ 
> library ...
> 
> greetings, Lars
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:40:42 +0100 (CET)
>  From: "Pierre-Henri Quelen" <phq@guzoid.org>
> Subject: newbie, XMPP framework
> To: <discuss-gnustep@gnu.org>
> Message-ID: <13540.81.80.130.125.1070390442.squirrel@mail.apinc.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm new to GNUstep and I'd like to contribute. I'm teaching myself ObjC
> and GNUstep/Openstep/Cocoa. I'm interested in writing some software,
> although I'm not ready for anything too difficult. I have some experience
> in programming.
> 
> I'd like to write an Instant Messaging gnustep application. I noticed
> there's already Hydroxide but it only supports MSN and I don't believe
> it's maintained anymore. I think Jabber/XMPP would be a good choice, but
> then there's a need for a XMPP framework (it's in the Framework Wishlist
> on the wiki). I noticed that Acid
> (http://www.jabberstudio.org/projects/acid/project/view.php) already
> exists, it's supposed to be for Mac OS X, and I don't know anything about
> its design or compatibility. It seems to have its own xml parsing and
> generation code.
> 
> What is the best XML framework ?
> Renaissance and other apps like HelpViewer seems to use GSXML, but it only
> seems to do XML parsing, and I've read arguments about its design over
> this list. Is it ok to use the ED frameworks ? using them would make
> portability easier since they're available for Mac OS X.
> 
> Do you think the IM client should support other IM protocols (like Gaim
> does) or should it just let the server handle this through its gateways
> (like regular jabber clients do) ? I think it would be easy to just have a
> Jabber bundle using the XMPP framework. and there could be other bundles
> handling other protocols.
> 
> thanks for reading.
> 
> Pierre-Henri Quelen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:28:20 +0100
>  From: Larry Cow <no@spam.org>
> Subject: Re: newbie, XMPP framework
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
> Message-ID: <20031202202820.71ffd99b.no@spam.org>
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> 
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:40:42 +0100 (CET)
> "Pierre-Henri Quelen" <phq@guzoid.org> wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to write an Instant Messaging gnustep application. I noticed
>> there's already Hydroxide but it only supports MSN and I don't believe
>> it's maintained anymore.
> 
> It doesn't even support MSN, since they changed protocol lately.
> 
>> I think Jabber/XMPP would be a good choice, but then there's a need for
>> a XMPP framework (it's in the Framework Wishlist on the wiki).
> 
> I agree on that point (I added the XMPP framework to the wishlist). I have
> some ideas on it, if you're interested, but no code (and I won't have any
> soon).
> 
> 
>> I noticed that Acid (...) already exists, it's supposed to be for Mac OS
>> X, and I don't know anything about its design or compatibility. It seems
>> to have its own xml parsing and generation code.
> 
> Maybe it would be more simple to use an existing C library for Jabber. The
> only one that comes to my mind is "loudmouth". This way, you could either
> write a "simple" jabber program, or design and wrap the whole framework
> around the lib, and write your program on top of that. It only depends on
> how much time you want to spend on this ;)
> 
> 
>> Do you think the IM client should support other IM protocols (like Gaim
>> does) or should it just let the server handle this through its gateways
>> (like regular jabber clients do) ? I think it would be easy to just have
>> a Jabber bundle using the XMPP framework. and there could be other
>> bundles handling other protocols.
> 
> I'm all for a Jabber-only solution, since it's far easier to write and
> maintain, and thus it's easy to integrate it in the whole "desktop". Think
> of Service, just like GNUMail.app's one, that would let you send a message
> to any other IM client, regardless protocol they use, just with clicking
> on it's Jabberized adress.
>