Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt

[Philip Mötteli]

Am 03.02.2004 um 20:44 schrieb John Stiles:
> On Feb 3, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Philip Mötteli wrote:
> > > Mac developers have no need to contribute to GNUstep. We have a 
> > > better version already.
> >
> > Better? Foundation is sometimes very (!) annoying because of its 
> > CoreFoundation! Try e.g. to write a transparent persistence layer. 
> > Modestly said: very, very ugly.
> > Or all those (void*) as instance variables. Impossible to handle. So 
> > on the one hand, you have a beautiful language like ObjC with a lot 
> > of runtime information and on the other hand you have Apple's 
> > Foundation implementation.
> > Distributed Objects are also better in GNUstep.
> > And if you have a problem, you debug lightning faster in GNUstep, 
> > because you trace through the source of "Foundation". Actually the 
> > only things, that are better on MOSX are AppKit and Xcode.
>
> Come on. If you seriously think that most people would rather work 
> with GNUstep than Cocoa, you are just deluding yourself.

Well, most of the people would rather work with Windows. So that must 
be better, doesn't it? That's a question of marketing. Who is caring 
about the marketing of GNUstep? How much is spent by Apple?


> I'm glad you like it, and it's a valuable thing to work on. But it's 
> nowhere near as complete or robust

Concerning Foundation/gnustep-gui: Why do you think that? Have you any 
tests? Proofs? You see, that's marketing. Because that's not true.
From a pure logic point of view, GS should be much robuster, because 
the moment you debug your bug and step over a bug of GS, you will 
immediately correct it. You can't do that with Apple's Foundation. 
There, you have to exactly define the problem in words and/or write an 
example. Most of the people don't do that. Then somebody at Apple must 
have the time to reproduce that bug. And finally he must have the time 
to correct it.

Another advantage of GS is, that it can stay pure. Apple constantly 
makes concessions: big clients, other languages,...

Don't misunderstand me: Since spring '92, I'm earning my living and 
doing my studies on what's called today MOSX. Even now I'm developing 
on it. But, I started deploing on Linux. So I have a complete cross 
platform situation.
Sometimes, when Xcode, which is really the opposite of mature, gets 
crazy, I go to GS on Linux and I continue developping there. Very 
useful. Saved me incredible lot of time!


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Phil