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Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian)
Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian)
Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:51:05 -0700
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Adrian Robert wrote:
This is the responsibility of the debian package maintainer, Gurkan
Sengun. Take it up on the gnustep-packages mailing list, which is hosted
at gna.org (yes, gnA.org).
FWIW, I agree with the sentiments of your post. I am not sure about any
organizational changes but do think GNUstep on linux at least has gotten
to the point where presenting itself as a desktop alternative to Gnome
and KDE is not at all unrealistic, and it would lower the energy barrier
for people to become involved.
- GNUstep is already fortunate to be distributed as Debian packages.
But you need to install them piecemeal, and hack around a little as
noted to get things set up. It would be very little effort to create a
single meta-package "GNUstep" (or maybe "GNUstep-desktop") containing
the libraries and docs, workspace, mail, gorm, projectcenter, the basic
pdf and image viewers, cynthiune (if it's in debian) and maybe
eventually terminal / textedit / preferences if they ever have a
release, together with windowmaker and the ".desktop" file suggested to
appear in the "sessions" list.
I have had personal interaction with the fedora folks, and they are 100%
opposed to adding any other "dsektop environments" to fedora. I
explained to them that GNUstep was not a desktop environment and further
explained that the packages were also quite small, but they would have
none of it. Getting packages into Fedora Core is impossible at this
point, as their stated policy is to remove stuff from their bloated
distro, not add it. Unfortunate, but true. While there may be RPM's for
Fedora floating around, they will not be part of Fedora Core any time
within the next several years.
- Something similar might eventually be done for Fedora and Gentoo,
since there have been initial packaging efforts for those
distributions. This, together with all the Debian-derivative
distributions, would cover a large part of the linux world at least.
I agree. And yet, on the flipside, with something such as the GNUstep
LiveCD, you can download it, check out GNUstep and WindowMaker, all with
While I appreciate the attractiveness of pure-GNUstep distributions and
the efforts that people have put into them, the need to install an
entire distribution can represent a significant energy barrier for
people trying out GNUstep, so smooth setup from distribution packages
may recruit additional users (and from there developers).
All of this said, I think some might worry about a huge flood of bug
reports and questions if GNUstep became more widely used. Maybe this
should wait for another few months so that GUI can get to 1.0, a
user-friendly "services" package can be put together out of the existing
examples, and at least a rudimentary solution be put into place for
in-application Help. This would put usability to about where GNOME was
circa early 2000 (with a better, more mature framework underneath).
I don't think anyone is worried about a flood of bugreports....
As for GUI hitting version 1.0, it's going to be more than a few months.
Last I was aware, work had resumed on HelpViewer, but I am not quite
sure what the current status of that is.
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), oberhage, 2004/09/14
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), Patrix, 2004/09/20
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), Adrian Robert, 2004/09/23
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), Alex Perez, 2004/09/23
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), Riccardo, 2004/09/24
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), Alex Perez, 2004/09/24
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), Markus Hitter, 2004/09/24
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), Pete French, 2004/09/24
- Message not available
- Re: Starting GNUstep (Debian), Patrix, 2004/09/25