Re: NSToolbar look/selecting items

[Quentin Mathé]

Le 31 oct. 04, à 17:18, Uli Kusterer a écrit :

> Hi,

Hi Uli,

> just played with NSToolbar for the first time. Felt like back home in
> MacOS X ;-)
>
>  I always kind of preferred the "OpenStep Toolbar look". E.g. like
> GNUMail.app's "Preferences" window has it. Basically, it's simply a
> scrolling NSMatrix of pushbuttons there, but I understand that such a
> look doesn't go too well with custom views (like the popup menu in
> ToolbarExample.app, which would then be a popup button on top of a
> pushbutton then), so I can understand why it looks like Apple's design
> now.
>
>  However, what I think is kind of awkward is the "chevron" with its
> popup menu that is shown when there's not enough room to show some
> items. Wouldn't a scrollbar be more user-friendly here?

May be I should say first that I'm the guy who has implemented most of 
the NSToolbar support…
Personally I dislike the scrollbar idea, because if you have lot of 
toolbar items in the toolbar, it becomes a nightmare to remember what 
is in the toolbar and especially where, and the scrollbar makes the 
toolbar items possibly moving targets. With the "chevron" you can have 
a global view of any toolbar items used and the toolbar items are 
fixed, but I agree it is not the perfect solution because the toolbar 
items flow vertically in the menu and horizontally in the toolbar, and 
that's somewhat not logical. I plan in the future to implement a 
toolbar which extends to the border of the screen when you click in the 
"chevron" to reveal all the toolbar items, a bit like a Mac OS X sheet. 
Moreover I think we should avoid whenever it is possible to have 
toolbars totally filled.
Last point, the toolbar cannot be customised actually, it is still 
something which needs to be implemented when I will have the time to 
do.

Quentin.

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Quentin Mathé
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