Re: Objective-C standard

[Markus Hitter]

Am 02.06.2006 um 20:15 schrieb YL:

> And the market acceptance to me depends mainly on
> (1) An IDE and runtime that works on popular OS, that easy to install,
>       and can easily get started (I know it hurts but visual basic  
> did better on this)
[...]
> Apple's best achievement on (1) is WebObjects 4.5.1

Huh. Are you sure?

Perhaps WebObjects is the most elegant competitor in it's field, but  
for sure, WebObjects isn't easy to get started with. CoreData does a  
lot better, as it avoids all the server/client stuff at the  
beginning, integrates better into Foundation/AppKit and comes with  
excellent modeling tools.


> (2) Rich libraries/framworks that provide solutions for business  
> app developers instead of computing genius.

In case you're a business app developer, you have learned your skills  
already. If you didn't use Obj-C for it (likely) you got it using  
some other language.

If you started coding with, for example, visual basic, you can just  
continue to do so and will accept a lot of oddities in the language/ 
libraries before you switch your entire environment. Young people (as  
well as careful switchers) start at the very basics: "Hello World",  
"CurrencyConverter", "TextEdit". You remember the story of how the  
Linux kernel made it's first baby steps?


> The most efficient way of enforcing standard is to provide  
> frameworks that
> closely reflect the business operational needs.

Yes. But business operational needs aren't all the world and not  
caring about all the other types of computing makes it very likely  
many people will never ever switch to Obj-C. Bad enough they  
currently have to switch at all.


Right now I'm preferring Cocoa over GNUstep myself for one simple  
reason: Getting started with GNUstep is a huuuge task, especially if  
you have to start from the very scratch. I've yet to find a good, non- 
bloated Linux distribution. Or should I prefer FreeBSD? Whatever,  
that's another topic ...


Markus

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