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Re: Camaelon <-> GNUstep
Re: Camaelon <-> GNUstep
Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:22:50 +1000
On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 20:56 +0100, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote:
> On 2 Sep 2006, at 20:25, Gregory John Casamento wrote:
> > All,
> > Sorry to reply late to this thread... :)
> > -- Richard Frith-MacDonald wrote:
> >> I *like* the default scheme much more than other systems... so I find
> >> the argument about changing the look to attract developers very
> >> unconvincing. However, providing screenshots of alternative color
> >> schemes won't do any harm and might help.
> > Here's a reply from one of the people from my blog right after I
> > announced nib compatibility (I hope the original poster doesn't
> > mind, but it was posted to my blog publically):
> > "Wow, very cool. The one thing that always bugged me about GNUstep,
> > and the one thing that alwawys stops me from using it is the UI
> > style; hardly up-to-date by anyone's standards. Are there any plans
> > to create a more modern-looking theme? Not necessarily an OS X
> > clone, but something that's a little more visually pleasing...
> > This could also be the one thing holding GNUStep from becoming
> > mainstream, IMHO."
> > This is the most frequent criticism I hear concerning GNUstep.
> > I've heard it from two companies that were planning to port their
> > apps to GNUstep. I also heard it from another company which wanted
> > to create new apps for GNUstep by itself (and perhaps port from
> > GNUstep to Mac OS at a later date). I also hear it from people
> > whom I show GNUstep to occasionally. While many like the look,
> > some don't. Unfortunately people will almost always gravitate to
> > something because it's attractive, in spite of what it's technical
> > merits underneath might or might not be.
> > GNUstep, I believe. needs a theming system which is flexible and
> > extensible. This will allow people to make new themes that make
> > GNUstep look like whatever they want it to. I would, personally,
> > prefer a significantly updated NeXT look to be the default theme
> > (think about what NeXT's UI might look like, if NeXT hadn't been
> > bought by Apple).
> Just for the record ... my position on theming in GNUstep has
> *always* been that it's a good idea, and I believe that all core
> GNustep developers have held that position for a long, long time. I
> have (some considerable time ago) merged in horizontal menu support
> for a more MacOS-like theme, and offered to assit/work-on merging
> camealon code into gui.
> The debate/argument whenever this issue arises is because we all have
> different ideas on how much difference theming is likely to make to
> the appeal of GNUstep, and what the default theme should be.
> IMO it is stupid to argue about these things as any argument gives
> some people the chance to interpret fragments of the argument as
> being against theming, and arguments about these issues are entirely
> hypthetical until we have good theming in place anyway.
> 1. we need the theme mechanism in the gui
> 2. we need good tools for rapid/easy development of new themes
> 3. we need a selection of ready made themes
> Once that has been done we will
> a) find out if it encourages lots of new developers to sign up
> b) be in a position to argue about changing the default theme if we
> really want to.
Themes would make a lot of difference to the appeal. Isnt that what a
GUI is all about? Looks?
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