Cross-compilation/Development tools (was Re: Cocotron)

[Gregory John Casamento]

Markus,

You said...
> Additionally, I think some Xcode integration would be appreciated a  
> lot. A few words about how to switch from Cocoa to GNUstep (find the  
> other frameworks) and perhaps a Xcode template or two ("Hello World"- 
> sized apps).

I agree with this.   I believe that the ability to compile from Xcode to 
another platform using GNUstep is something that should be done.

> Any sane developer will prefer to do one project in _one_ IDE, if  
> that's possible. If they use Xcode already, there's not much point in  
> trying to sell them Gorm or ProjectCenter. Not at the beginning, at  
> least.

Gorm and ProjectCenter are there to provide a way for people to work on 
projects on Linux, BSD, Windows, or other environments without needing Mac OS 
X.  Since Gorm is able to load and save nibs now, it's possible for a Mac 
developer to make changes when using GNUstep and bring that back to the Mac or 
for a developer who doesn't have a Mac to build an application that can be 
compiled on a Mac.

For Mac developers bringing their stuff, they are a convenience.   For every 
other developer who doesn't have a Mac, they are a necessity. 

That being said, I believe that  ProjectCenter needs to incorporate some amount 
of xcode compatibility into itself.  This would allow the developers to load 
and change Xcode projects from PC.

Later, GJC

--
Gregory Casamento
## GNUstep Chief Maintainer

----- Original Message ----
From: Markus Hitter <mah@jump-ing.de>
To: hns@computer.org
Cc: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:00:01 PM
Subject: Re: Cocotron


Am 28.12.2006 um 17:47 schrieb hns@computer.org:

>> Another one just appeared in a German Cocoa developer discussion:
>>
>> * GNUstep is an incomplete operating system and not a GUI framework -
>> people simply do not associate "GUI" with "AppKit" and "Base" with
>> "Foundation" and therefore not "GNUstep" with "Cocoa".
>
> I know it, You know it, we all here on this list know it - but people
> outside don't. That is the key issue to solve...

For me, I doubt this can be solved by a simple rename of the  
frameworks. People would still "wait" for the remaining parts to come.

While the public appearance of the gnustep.org improved a lot over  
the last year, looking at a introduction page like <http:// 
gnustep.org/experience/Startup.html> neither the word "Cocoa",  
"AppKit", nor "Foundation" is even mentioned. If GNUstep wants to  
attract Cocoa developers, what stops one to point to the similarities  
to Cocoa:

Introduction:
GNUstep Startup is a compilation of the GNUstep core packages and  
gives you about the equivalent of what is known as "Cocoa" on Apple's  
Mac OS X, but fully cross platform. ...

...
GNUstep Base:
   Like Cocoa's Foundation, the GNUstep Base library is a library of ...

GNUstep Gui:
   Like Cocoa's AppKit, GNUstep Gui is a library of graphical user ...

GNUstep Back:
   Unlike Cocoa, GNUstep comes with it's own graphics back-end to be  
more
   flexible about different platforms ...
...


Additionally, I think some Xcode integration would be appreciated a  
lot. A few words about how to switch from Cocoa to GNUstep (find the  
other frameworks) and perhaps a Xcode template or two ("Hello World"- 
sized apps).

Any sane developer will prefer to do one project in _one_ IDE, if  
that's possible. If they use Xcode already, there's not much point in  
trying to sell them Gorm or ProjectCenter. Not at the beginning, at  
least.



Markus

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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/






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