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Re: State of the 'Step

From: Riccardo Mottola
Subject: Re: State of the 'Step
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:44:37 +0100
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you speak me out of the heart. But the interest people have in GNUstep vary, so many like it to be a mac Clone or a porting environment for their mac apps to linux and windows and there are commercial interests behind that. Many persons when thinking about a "mac clone" also think about the geeky effects it has, more than the architecture underneath.

I'm on the "application" front since several years, but I am often stoned by how little interest and feedback there is...


J. Jordan wrote:

Well to be honest nothing worked using the SVN version of base/back/make/gui, GNUMail, GWorkspace, Terminal all immediatly segfaulted on launch. I don't really see that as an issue, SVN is going to be broken from time to time and watching the IRC channel there is enough action going on that breakage is going to occur.

That being said, GNUstep has been in development for 15 years, are the current efforts primarily aimed at making it a clone of OSX? I f the concept is to allow OSX applications to be easily ported to GNUstep then that is a good plan but if the intent is to develop for OSX without needing a MAC then I think it is doomed to fail. For me it is all about the applications. I really like the look and feel of GNUstep, the concepts of services, bundles and frameworks really make sense and they are NOT well implemented on the MAC. The time is perfect for a third FLOSS desktop, KDE has gone off on the Windows tangent and is gaining many new users but it is loseing power-users in droves, Gnome is Gnome and will always be Gnome, you either love it or hate it, I hate it. Verticle menus and a verticle dock courtesy of Windowmaker make more sense now than ever before considering the almost universal move to wide-screen monitors. I am not a purist, I am not saying we should be locked to the OpenStep API of 15 years ago, there has been a lot of progress in the computer world, wifi, bluetooth, ACPI, none of tose things were around back then. I like the square-gray look but recognize that others do not so making things skinnable makes sense, just allow me to keep the look I like.

Saying that GNUstep is nothing but a development environment is a bit of a cop-out, like taking 15 years of development. hundreds of thousands of hours of work and equating it to Visual-Basic. It is like saying, that you build hammers that can only be used to build more hammers, never any houses.

Please don't think that I don't appreciate the efforts of the base/back/gui developers, without them nothing works.

Over the last couple weeks reading the mailing lists including archives I have gotten the impression that most GNUstep developers don't really use GNUstep, they don't use Project Center for development, they don't use GNUMail, they do use Gorm which explains its comparative advanced state but of course Gorm is not needed for base/back/make development.

Users need applications, applications require application developers, application developers need a stable API, 15 years is a long time.


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