Re: This thing we call GNUstep (Re: Kickstarter was not successful... but.it did help things...)

[Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf]

Am 21.12.2013 um 23:04 schrieb Jamie Ramone:

We could always resurrect the "Differently thunk" wordplay someone suggested years ago, the Cocoa audience would quickly recognize that one! :P

I like this one. It also tells with a wink that GNUstep (the roots) even predates OpenStep.

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@goldelico.com> wrote:

Am 21.12.2013 um 22:29 schrieb Jamie Ramone:

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@goldelico.com> wrote:

Am 21.12.2013 um 20:19 schrieb Jamie Ramone:

I dunno. It doesn't seem all too catchy. If it's an old saying I've never heard of it. And what does it mean, what is it refering to? What's the "walled garden" and why step out of it?

"Walled garrden" is a technical term for closed ecosystems like Apple's AppStore.

Everyone can participate and submit or buy Apps, but only within the sometimes quite restrictive rules defined by the operator.

On the contrary with

"take a GNUstep outside of the walled garden"

you can develop any app and publish it as you like (*). And that without loosing the knowledge and APIs one has learned for the Apple ecosystem.

For a better definition look at WIkipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform

(*) we even have a very simple form of an AppStore (the GNUstep Software Index).

How 'bout "think outside the box"? Catchy, well known and invites one to take a look and not reject it flat out because it's not <insert arbitrary personal reason here>.

Because GNUstep is not a tool for "thinking".

 Neither is Apple, which uses the "think different" catchphrase, that's not the point. Thinking in this context refers to considering this runtime/development environment over other, possibly more conventional. It's meant as an invitation for developers who are new to GNUstep or Objective C. Or, say, Cocoa developers who never considered using anything outside Apple's tools.

I like the walled garden allusion. Every iOS developer knows and feels that and I know many would be happy to take "a GNUstep over that wall".

"Thinking outside the box" is not specific enough. Every creative person would claim that he/she is already doing that. So the first question would be: what does GNUstep make differently? And there would be no answer.

The key difference with these metaphors is that the "box" is seen as a self-imposed limit of thinking. While the walls around the garden are created by someone an impose limits that you wouldn't have.

So these pictures express some very different concepts. Breaking self-limitation vs. breaking external limits.

I think your proposal is too generic while the one with the walled garden is better targeted at the GNUstep (and Cocoa) audience.

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"Besos, abrazos, confeti y aplausos"

Jaime "El Vikingo" Ramone

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Ivan Vučica <ivucica@gmail.com> wrote:

+1. I like the catchphrase.

On Fri Dec 20 2013 at 10:03:48 PM, Graham Lee <graham@iamleeg.com> wrote:

> On 20 Dec 2013, at 20:44, "Doc O'Leary" <droleary@7usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
>
> Here's an attempt at a catch phrase:
>
> Step outside the walled garden.

Heh. Nice :)

Graham.

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