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Re: how to find out methods for tramp?
From: |
Robert J. Chassell |
Subject: |
Re: how to find out methods for tramp? |
Date: |
Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:24:49 +0000 (UTC) |
Bob, did you read the Tramp manual to get help for setting this up?
If not, please try that and tell us if it helps you.
Yes, I did read it. As I wrote earlier, it described the methods
quite well. But it did not tell me how to choose the best method
efficiently; only to try each method one at a time until one worked.
There are three issues here:
* Possible bugs in the code. Kai asked me, and I have sent him, a
trace. (One of the non-working sites is using what my successfull
SSH-connection-in-an-xterm reports as a possibly `old'
implementation of SSH; the other requires protocol 2 and Tramp
fails with any SSH configuration that also permits protocol 1.)
* Inadequately informative error messages. When Tramp fails, the
error messages should tell me more as to why it fails: for
example, I can successfully use Tramp to list my home directory on
fp.gnu.org using the `smx' method using yesterday's CVS snapshot,
started with: emacs -q --no-site-file --eval '(blink-cursor-mode 0)'
However, when I try the same operation using the `sm' method,
Tramp fails and tells me only that
tramp-open-connection-rsh: Wrong type argument: sequencep, 60
The *debug tramp/sm fp.gnu.org* provides even less help.
Neither suggests which of the other 28 or so methods I should use.
* Confusing documentation.
- The existing documentation, which in general I find pretty clear
is, in this instance somewhat misleading. It says that `smx'
... is useful for users where the normal login shell
is set up to ask them a number of questions when logging in.
In this case, fencepost does not ask me for a number of
questions. It asks one question, which is for my password. So
if I follow this documentation, I avoid using the `smx' method.
However, the `smx' method is the method that works.
Perhaps the problem is that this instance of SSH negotiates a
series of questions back and forth, and the `sm' method cannot
handle that. As a user I have no way of knowing. After all, as
I said, to me fencepost asks only one question, which is for my
password; and the `sm' method is for other SSH connections to
sites with `mimencode'.
- Secondly, while the documentation is helpful in saying that `smx'
... is also useful for Windows users ...
since fencepost is, I am pretty sure, a system that can run X,
which is a windowing system, I am not 100% sure that the
documentation writer actually means
`also useful for users running a windowing system such as X or
Berlin'
Perhaps the writer means
`also useful for users running the windowing system
distributed by the Microsoft Corporation'.
The problem here occurs because some people support the
Microsoft Corporation's efforts to deny that windowing systems
are a generic application invented by Englebart in the 1960s.
When they refer to a windowing system, they mean only Microsoft
Windows. (The Microsoft Corporation has spent a great deal of
effort in trying to deny the everyday meaning of the word
`Windows' in the context of computers, going so far as to obtain
a trademark on the word.)
When I see the word `Windows', while I presume that most likely
the speaker is talking about computer windowing systems in their
everyday meaning, referring to X and to SmallTalk, and
Englebart's work, I have to recognize that the term is ambiguous
and may refer only to the windowing system distributed and
claimed by the Microsoft Corporation.
The documentation would be clearer if it distinguished among
any windowing system, such as X, or that produced by the
Apple Corporation, or that produced by the Microsoft
Corporation
the windowing system produced by the Microsoft Corporation
the X windowing system
and so on. And, since people always shorten terms in frequent
use, shorting `television' to TV (or, in the UK, to `tely'), it is
reasonable sometimes to shorten specific references to Macintosh
Windows, X Windows, or Microsoft Windows.
--
Robert J. Chassell address@hidden
Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com
- how to find out methods for tramp?, Robert J. Chassell, 2002/06/17
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Andreas Schwab, 2002/06/17
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Miles Bader, 2002/06/17
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Richard Stallman, 2002/06/18
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Andreas Schwab, 2002/06/20
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Robert J. Chassell, 2002/06/20
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Andreas Schwab, 2002/06/20
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Richard Stallman, 2002/06/21
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Per Abrahamsen, 2002/06/21
- Re: how to find out methods for tramp?, Miles Bader, 2002/06/21