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Re: Info tutorial is out of date
From: |
Jay Belanger |
Subject: |
Re: Info tutorial is out of date |
Date: |
Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:01:36 -0500 |
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Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) |
"Drew Adams" <address@hidden> writes:
> > They're already used to it - there are no more virgin users.
>
> They're not used to using the mouse with Emacs.
>
> What we're talking about here is menu access and clicking links and buttons.
> There is nothing Emacs-specific with how user users do those things in
> Emacs - nothing new. I think you're grasping at straws, here.
No. They are being implicitly told that using the mouse is the way to
use Emacs. No straws involved.
> > I'm not suggesting we teach them *any* way to perform simple
> > navigation (equivalent of `n' and `p'). On the contrary, my
> > point was that we *need not* teach that. There is an obvious,
> > simple way to navigate: click a link or navigation button.
>
> Falling back on that is effectively teaching them that's the way to do
> it, or at least allowing them to teach themselves thats how to do it.
>
> Not at all. At most, it could be said to *not* teach them to change their
> nasty ways. But it does not teach them *anything* new about the
> mouse/keyboard.
It tells them that that is how to use Emacs. After all, what else
do they know?
> The question is, "Where is the right place to crusade for the keyboard?"
Hardly a crusade.
> That lesson is a distraction from teaching Info.
The question is whether teaching Info properly involves teaching the
keyboard or not. On this, people can disagree, but using loaded
language is not helpful.
- RE: Info tutorial is out of date, (continued)
- RE: Info tutorial is out of date, Drew Adams, 2006/07/18
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Richard Stallman, 2006/07/18
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Luc Teirlinck, 2006/07/17
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Miles Bader, 2006/07/17
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Stefan Monnier, 2006/07/18
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Miles Bader, 2006/07/18
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Richard Stallman, 2006/07/17
- RE: Info tutorial is out of date, Drew Adams, 2006/07/17
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Jay Belanger, 2006/07/17
- RE: Info tutorial is out of date, Drew Adams, 2006/07/17
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date,
Jay Belanger <=
- RE: Info tutorial is out of date, Drew Adams, 2006/07/17
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Alan Mackenzie, 2006/07/17
- RE: Info tutorial is out of date, Drew Adams, 2006/07/17
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Slawomir Nowaczyk, 2006/07/20
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Richard Stallman, 2006/07/20
- Message not available
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date; mouse usage, David Kastrup, 2006/07/16
- RE: Info tutorial is out of date; mouse usage, Drew Adams, 2006/07/16
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Alan Mackenzie, 2006/07/16
- RE: Info tutorial is out of date, Drew Adams, 2006/07/16
- Re: Info tutorial is out of date, Thien-Thi Nguyen, 2006/07/16