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Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q
From: |
Stefan Monnier |
Subject: |
Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q |
Date: |
Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:51:36 -0400 |
User-agent: |
Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) |
>> >> But that's the issue: if sending mail works "reliably" from "emacs -Q"
>> >> there's no need for "load .emacs".
>>
>> > That's your issue, which I agree is an issue, though I don't see how
>> > you propose to address it via "load .emacs".
>>
>> You said: "it will normally be fixed by loading the init files".
> Please, don't be argumentative. I'm just trying to explain why
> communication broke down. Obviously, when I write "it", "it" refers
> to my issue, not yours. The ambiguity is inherent, but I was unable
> to see what you were talking about because I don't consider it an
> Emacs issue to be solved in Emacs.
Sorry, I did not intend to be argumentative. The thread is just a bit
long and with many unrelated aspects mixed together. As far as I can
tell the only interesting aspect of a "load .emacs" button is to setup
the mail system so that M-x report-emacs-bug works. So it's the only
part of the thread that I'm focusing on.
>> >> sends it to someone who'll drop it as "spam",
>> > PEBKAC, not solvable at our end AFAICS.
>> Not PEBCAK at all. Most machines nowadays which have /usr/sbin/sendmail
>> have it misconfigured
> OK, so it's a PEBMAKAC: Problem Existing Between Mail Admin's Keyboard
> And Chair. Still not something we can do anything about.
Those broken machines have no such thing as a "Mail Admin".
>> In many cases, the only reliable way for the user
>> to send an email is via a webmail application.
> In that case, what you really want is to simply disable bug reporting
> by mail, and rewrite the whole system to directly inject the report
> into debbugs via port 80.
Yes, that's actually an attractive option (except that I don't think you
can report bugs to Debbugs via port 80, but we could let
emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com accept SMTP connections on a port that's open
on pretty much all firewalls).
> (Note that this essentially takes us back
> to the days of UUCP, but I guess we don't have much choice.)
Yes, it's a very sad affair. SMTP is dying.
Stefan
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, (continued)
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Stefan Monnier, 2008/04/05
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2008/04/05
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Stefan Monnier, 2008/04/05
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2008/04/06
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Stefan Monnier, 2008/04/06
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2008/04/07
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Stefan Monnier, 2008/04/07
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2008/04/07
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q,
Stefan Monnier <=
- Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q, Lennart Borgman (gmail), 2008/04/07
- Default of send-mail-function (was: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q), Reiner Steib, 2008/04/07
- Re: Default of send-mail-function, Lennart Borgman (gmail), 2008/04/07
- Re: Default of send-mail-function, Reiner Steib, 2008/04/07
- Re: Default of send-mail-function, Jason Rumney, 2008/04/07
- Re: Default of send-mail-function, David De La Harpe Golden, 2008/04/07
- Re: Default of send-mail-function, Jason Rumney, 2008/04/08
- Re: Default of send-mail-function, Manoj Srivastava, 2008/04/08
- Re: Default of send-mail-function, Jason Rumney, 2008/04/08
- Re: Default of send-mail-function, Manoj Srivastava, 2008/04/08