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Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32?

From: tomas
Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32?
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:51:47 +0200
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On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 02:25:52PM +0200, Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote:
> address@hidden wrote:
> > Sorry. It was meant as a sarcastic remark (and as such rather
> > inconstructive, I apologize) towards those who want to impose whatever
> > inconsistent idea Windows has come up upon the rest of us.
> Writing on controversiel matters is difficult. Is not "inconsistent"
> another sarcasm? ;-)

No, this one was really genuine: Windows does undo by default *unless
the drive is a network drive* -- then it doesn't. Windows moves files on
drag-and-drop *unless it's across drives* -- then it copies. In the
second case the user has (usually) a fair chance to know the difference,
courtesy of the drive letters. In the first case, though...

Copying this behaviour to an Unix-like system (as Gnome does) makes even
the second case mystifying. How is the user supposed to know what is
mounted where?

It's those behaviours I was labelling as "inconsistent" -- this was
honest and straight and not a bit sarcastic.

> I think the idea Stephen Turnbull had to stop this thread is good: Try
> to write functions to switch between more platform dependent manners.
> And then turn them on by default on the different platforms ... ;-)

This might be a sane approach. To have a "Unix" and a "Windows" flavour.
Or whatever..

> It is very difficult avoiding stepping a bit on each other here. I think
> we have to accept that instead of saying that it means anyone is
> imposing something on another.

Yep. But if you propose a different default, you might expect to hear
some screams ;-)

BTW: I'm not opposed to the idea of a "trash" can. But I'd like to see
it implemented as part of the file system. That's clean, has no security
risks, and it's not up to every single user app to (re-)implement it in a
possibly slightly different way (yes: a desktop environment is a user
app (or a bunch thereof)).

- -- tomás
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