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Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-pp
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David Kastrup |
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Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch |
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Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:55:44 +0100 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) |
Dmitry Gutov <address@hidden> writes:
> On 14.02.2014 17:30, David Kastrup wrote:
>>> I'd expect each participant in the discussion to be willing to
>>> implement things they discuss that are within their area of
>>> expertise. E.g. Stefan to at least add that hook and modify the
>>> syntax-ppss caching behavior.
>>
>> That's a popular misconception: the dictatoriate of the incompetent.
>> Just because somebody went to the pains to learn an art does not mean
>> that he is bound to do your bidding. Gifts are foremost gifts, not
>> punishment.
>
> Replace "they discuss" in my quote above with "they suggest".
Doesn't change a thing.
> It would be their own bidding, not mine. Or if the person is not
> interested in implementing said things, an explicit warning would be
> nice.
So let me warn you explicitly: just because I am willing to offer
suggestions and/or expertise does not and never imply that I offer
anything else. And I consider it absurd to assume differently. Not
just from me, from anyone.
>>> I really don't do C, and learning it just to contribute to Emacs
>>> seems like a major undertaking.
>>
>> Oh, you could help a lot of people and projects in your newly gained
>> area of expertise then.
>
> Yeah, how much effort other people would have to spend correcting my
> mistakes before I gain said expertise?
But then you would be able to help with and carry on their work.
> Not to mention the expenditure of time on my own part.
No art carries on without gaining new practitioners.
>>> Why there aren't many new contributors capable and interested in
>>> implementing new features at the C level, your guess is as good as
>>> mine (probably better).
>>
>> They probably don't like the obligations coming with it.
>
> I don't believe most even think that far.
Don't underestimate people. "I don't know how to do it" for many people
is more a weapon rather than a shortcoming.
It's very popular in the context of Free Software, and many developers
have heard it more often than they really care for. So it tends to be a
bad move.
--
David Kastrup
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, (continued)
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, David Kastrup, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Dmitry Gutov, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Dmitry Gutov, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Dmitry Gutov, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, David Kastrup, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Dmitry Gutov, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch,
David Kastrup <=
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/14
- Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/14
- Emacs contributions, C and Lisp (was: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: ...), Dmitry Gutov, 2014/02/15
- Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp (was: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: ...), Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/16
- Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp (was: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: ...), Jorgen Schaefer, 2014/02/16
- Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp (was: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: ...), Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/16
- Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp, Dmitry Gutov, 2014/02/16
- Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp (was: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: ...), Jorgen Schaefer, 2014/02/17
- Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp (was: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: ...), Eli Zaretskii, 2014/02/17
- Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp, Phillip Lord, 2014/02/18