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Re: Emacs Lisp's future
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: Emacs Lisp's future |
Date: |
Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:44:16 +0300 |
> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:22:59 -0400
> From: Richard Stallman <address@hidden>
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> > Originally, Emacs would complain that Latin-1 cannot be used, and
> > asked the user to select a different encoding.
> >
> > That is about Latin-1. What did Emacs do, at that time, with UTF-8?
>
> The situation I described is with text encodable by UTF-8, but not by
> Latin-1. So it has no analogue when UTF-8 is used to begin with.
>
> It looks like that past case isn't directly pertinent to this issue,
> then.
I think it _is_ pertinent, because it demonstrates how intolerable
Emacs users are to prompts that appear where by their (users')
standards Emacs should simply silently DTRT (for some definition of
"Right").
> What will Emacs do, under this proposal, if the user is asked whether
> to keep the original raw bytes and answers NO?
>
> Abort the operation, I suppose.
Good luck selling this to our users.
> Our experience with such prompts is that they are perceived as
> annoyances, no matter whether they happen at read or at write time.
>
> Maybe so, but how big of an annoyance depends on how often it happens.
Our experience is that it happens "too often".
> Those who are arguing for doing something to avoid propagating raw
> bytes might want to implement an optional feature for asking for
> confirmation before saving UTF-8 with raw bytes. Then people could
> try enabling that feature and we would see how often we get asked to
> confirm.
Fine by me.
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, (continued)
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Richard Stallman, 2014/10/10
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/10/10
- RE: Emacs Lisp's future, Drew Adams, 2014/10/10
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/10/10
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Richard Stallman, 2014/10/10
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/10/11
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Richard Stallman, 2014/10/11
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, David Kastrup, 2014/10/12
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Richard Stallman, 2014/10/12
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Richard Stallman, 2014/10/12
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, David Kastrup, 2014/10/13
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/10/13
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, David Kastrup, 2014/10/13
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, David Kastrup, 2014/10/11
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, David Kastrup, 2014/10/09
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Richard Stallman, 2014/10/10
- Re: Emacs Lisp's future, Andreas Schwab, 2014/10/07