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From: | Paul Eggert |
Subject: | Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. |
Date: | Thu, 25 Jun 2015 15:24:33 -0700 |
User-agent: | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 |
You could have had a subject like "Supersede ASCII quoting convention in doc strings"That would have been misleading, as the patch did not supersede ASCII quoting. ASCII quoting still works, and is still supported.It would not have been misleading. Your aim is precisely to supersede ASCII quoting.
It's true that I'd prefer we adopt a simpler system that uses docstrings largely unchanged. But this approach was objected to vociferously, so the patch in question did not implement it. It would have been misleading to label the patch as doing what I'd prefer. Instead, the patch was labeled to do what it actually did, which is what labels are supposed to do.
The very moment curly quoting starts appearing in source files is when ASCII quoting will stop working properly.
No, ASCII quoting still works properly, even though curved quotes are in source files now. There were a few curved quotes even in Emacs 24.5 source files, and the sky did not fall.
In contrast, you installed commit 52c3946c872c8bd96508f74cdda5cbb90c664306, an equally large change to user behavior, ....Not really. I simply made the new behaviour optionalNo, your patch changed the default behavior for *Help* buffers.Paul, that's a really objectionable thing for you to do. You snipped the second half of my sentence ", setting the default to "off".",
I had written "you installed commit 52c3946c872c8bd96508f74cdda5cbb90c664306, an equally large change to user behavior". You then objected "Not really. I simply made the new behaviour optional, setting the default to 'off'." Your objection was an attempt to minimize the scope of your change, even though it was indeed an equally large change to user behavior. The "Not really" in your objection was misleading. In hindsight I should have mentioned all this in a longer comment, and I should have included more of your quote, and my apologies if my attempt to be brief misled anybody. I hope this further comment has made the main thrust more clear.
The point is, that with this new option, users can chose how they want to see quotes,
Yes, there seems to be reasonable agreement that users should have an option to see quotes traditionally `like this' or in a curved-quote style ‘like this’. As users do have that option in the current master, perhaps we should move on to the next topic.
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