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Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?
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Alan Mackenzie |
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Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? |
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Tue, 8 Mar 2016 21:36:35 +0000 |
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Hello, Ingo.
On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 10:25:35PM +0100, Ingo Lohmar wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 08 2016 22:37 (+0200), Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Using Git is not a problem for me. The problem is that the
> > information in Git log is unreliable. The other problem is that will
> > never succeed in teaching new contributors how to make good log
> > messages unless we have an easy way of fixing mistakes there.
> Some arguments in this thread are repeated ad infinitum although they
> don't seem to stand a little scrutiny. "git log" messages cannot
> technically be both immutable and unreliable: At least there is some
> severely imprecise use of language going on.
If a git log message starts off life unreliable (i.e. there are mistakes
in it) it can never be corrected. It stays unreliable for the lifetime
of the repository.
> As to the teaching argument: I have read every single message in this
> thread, and nobody has argued for lower (but several people for higher)
> commit message standards.
> In contrast to your opinion, it seems to me that fixing mistakes in the
> Changelogs teaches a contributor who has committed with a flawed commit
> message that it's not really important. They, or somebody else, can
> clean up their (incl. possibly my) mess. As Oscar has argued, having
> the original commit rejected (by means to be discussed, and only until
> people have shown good judgment and discipline) teaches them that commit
> messages matter.
I am an experienced Emacs contributor, and I have, even recently, made
mistakes in my commit messages. I resent the fact that it is so
difficult to correct them, even before pushing to savannah. I don't
think I need any teaching on the importance of good commit messages.
> The whole argument for Changelogs comes down to a) being an established
> band-aid to clean up spilt milk, or b) providing a fixed-form summary of
> things that can be obtained using the VCS (provided the humans or tools
> wirting the Changelog are as "reliable" as the VCS).
Not everybody has access to the git repository, and not everybody who
has is capable of using it effectively. ChangeLogs remain a useful,
easy to use summary of Emacs's progress.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, (continued)
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, John Wiegley, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Karl Fogel, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, John Wiegley, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Karl Fogel, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Karl Fogel, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Stefan Monnier, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Óscar Fuentes, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Ingo Lohmar, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?,
Alan Mackenzie <=
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Ingo Lohmar, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Ingo Lohmar, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Richard Stallman, 2016/03/10
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/08
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, John Wiegley, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/03/09
- Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs?, Paul Eggert, 2016/03/09