Re: [Orgmode] Re: Variable 'org-ctrl-k-protect-subtree' defaults to nil

[Carsten Dominik]

On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Noorul Islam K M wrote:

> <address@hidden> writes:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > It's the first time I'm giving any feedback on org-mode, so first  
> > of all I would like to congratulate the original creator and all  
> > contributors on a very interesting and useful work.
> >
> > I've discovered org-mode only a couple of weeks ago and was  
> > intrigued enough to restart using emacs, after several years away  
> > from it! I've been studying Org's documentation and tutorials, and  
> > started using it to help me manage my relocation from Brazil to  
> > Italy.
> >
> > What I am reporting, technically, is a feature: the fact that  
> > variable 'org-ctrl-k-protect-subtree' defaults to nil. But  
> > considering how easy this makes to lose a whole subtree of data,  
> > especially for a newcomer to org-mode, I think it should be  
> > considered a serious bug. As a matter of fact, I am very surprised  
> > that C-k would be considered an admissible alternative to C-c C-x C- 
> > w/M-w, as a way to kill a subtree!
> >
> > I propose that 'org-ctr-k-protect-subtree' is made to default to  
> > 't' ASAP (already costumized it in that way on my setup), and that  
> > the behavior of C-k on headings is made consistent: kill to the end  
> > of line, regardless of the visibility of the subtree.
>
> I slightly disagree here. Most of the time I definitely want the  
> entire
> subtree to go away. I think this is the beauty of outline mode.

I agree with Norul.  C-k kills an entire visible line, and that
line has ... ellispes and therefore *contains* the folded text.
Just killing the headline would leave ... on a line by its own,
a bad state which is not good to have. This change would also
make the behavior inconsistent with other Emacs modes and behavior.

So we will keep the current default - but feel free to submit a
patch to documentation or a tutorial to points out this issue
to beginners.

Greetings.

- Carsten