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Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal
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Andreas Leha |
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Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal |
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Tue, 17 Mar 2015 20:42:32 +0000 |
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Hi Richard,
Thank you very much for your detailed answer.
Richard Lawrence <address@hidden> writes:
> Hi Andreas,
>
> Andreas Leha <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> I have been following this thread from (quite) some distance as I am
>> very interested in more general citation support from orgmode. Please
>> allow some basic questions:
>>
>> 1. For the LaTeX user
>> This change means that the LaTeX user can use org syntax for citations
>> rather than bare LaTeX (or links of some sort)?
>>
>> And this org syntax could then (I guess is the future) be extended with
>> additional link-like functionality (maybe similar to org-ref)?
>
> Yes, exactly.
>
>> 2. The non-LaTeX exports
>> These are all treated the same and will contain just text, that is
>> produced to mimic LaTeX's output to some extent?
>
> Well, that depends on what you mean by `just' text. Citations can still
> contain or be wrapped in markup that is specific to the output format,
> like span tags or anchor tags in HTML.
>
I meant especially link-like functionality in the exported document.
Just as references in a LaTeX generated PDF can link to the bibliography
(and back).
>> I think I read some question about e.g. having zotero handling the
>> citations in the odt export. Are there plans for such thing?
>
> Maybe. As far as I know, no one has done any work on Zotero integration
> yet. But Vaidheeswaran did some work to make JabRef (a different
> reference database) handle citations in ODT export.
>
>> 3. The database
>> As I understand the database currently is either bibtex or org?
>
> Yes.
>
>> But that list could in principle be extended to zotero ... ?
>
> Yes, in principle. Any database that can export to bibtex format is
> supported to some degree, if we support that format. Whether we want to
> integrate with any particular reference database more tightly than that
> hasn't really been discussed, as far as I'm aware. I don't have a good
> sense of what other software Org users rely on for this purpose.
>
>> And any other database X (zotero ...) would need translations X ->
>> bibtex to make the LaTeX export work with it as well?
>
> Not necessarily. Obviously, if you want to have bibtex/biblatex do the
> processing of the citations and bibliography in the document, that is
> required. But there is another approach, which is the one that Pandoc
> takes: directly rendering citations and bibliography into the output
> .tex file. If you're not relying on bibtex/biblatex to do the
> rendering, you don't need to have the database in its format.
>
> The org-citeproc tool I've been working on supports reading databases in
> any of these formats (via pandoc-citeproc):
>
> Format File extension
> ------------ --------------
> MODS .mods
> BibLaTeX .bib
> BibTeX .bibtex
> RIS .ris
> EndNote .enl
> EndNote XML .xml
> ISI .wos
> MEDLINE .medline
> Copac .copac
> JSON citeproc .json
>
> org-citeproc (via pandoc-citeproc) should already be able to read
> databases in these other formats. It would be trivial to add a LaTeX
> writer to org-citeproc that would allow rendering citations and
> bibliographies directly, as Pandoc does (since org-citeproc is just a
> small wrapper around pandoc and pandoc-citeproc).
>
I see. Very interesting.
>> 4. Example
>> Could you post one of your examples? I'd love to see the prototype in
>> action to have a proper picture of this.
>
> A couple of other people (Vaidheeswaran, Aaron Ecay) have posted
> examples in other messages. Here's an example of a simple Org document
> being processed by org-citeproc:
>
[ deleted the examples ]
Thank you very much. These look really nice!
>
> Note that citations containing multiple references are not supported at
> the moment, but that is coming soon.
>
> Best,
> Richard
This citation support will make my lock-in into orgmode perfect, I
guess.....
Thanks again,
Andreas
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, (continued)
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Richard Lawrence, 2015/03/10
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Aaron Ecay, 2015/03/10
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Richard Lawrence, 2015/03/11
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Richard Lawrence, 2015/03/13
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Richard Lawrence, 2015/03/17
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Andreas Leha, 2015/03/17
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Richard Lawrence, 2015/03/17
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal,
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- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Richard Lawrence, 2015/03/17
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Matt Price, 2015/03/17
- Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Richard Lawrence, 2015/03/18
Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Thomas S. Dye, 2015/03/02
Re: [O] Citation syntax: a revised proposal, Sebastien Vauban, 2015/03/09