Re: [O] [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. "<s[TAB]")

[Rasmus]

Carsten Dominik <address@hidden> writes:

> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 8:02 PM Rasmus <address@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Nicolas Goaziou <address@hidden> writes:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Steve Downey <address@hidden> writes:
>> >
>> >> Asking users to accept any breakage in the tool they use to get work
>> done
>> >> is a lot. Changes in UI in emacs are opt-in.
>> >>
>> >> Even if the change is the right thing to do.
>> >
>> > I think some of you (basically, anyone thinking we should enable "<s
>> > TAB" by default ;)) are missing the point.
>> >
>> >
>> > The first important thing to understand is that, even if we enable
>> > `org-tempo' by default, next Org release /will break/ for some of us.
>> >
>> > - It will break because `org-tempo' is only 99% backward-compatible.  So
>> >   anyone having customizing templates is bound to change them.
>> >
>> > - It will break because there are 9 other incompatible changes between
>> >   9.1 and 9.2.
>> >
>> > So, asking to load `org-tempo' by default just to avoid breaking users
>> > set-up is a wrong argument. It will only "protect" those among us that
>> > use "<s TAB" but didn't customize /and/ are not affected by the other
>> > incompatible changes. IOW, updating Org from 9.1 to 9.2 will not be
>> > smooth for everyone. No matter what `org-tempo' becomes.
>>
>> Nicolas, I have been wondering about something, reading all these posts,
>> irrespective of whether tempo is loaded by default or not (I don’t care).
>>
>> Do you think org-tempo should try to detect "old" versions of
>> org-structure-template-alist and give a better error if it sees one?  I
>> don’t know what the "best practice" is this case...
>>
>
> Yes, it absolutely should.

Thanks.  I guess it would be enough to check if the elements of the alist
are cons (newer Orgs) or lists (older orgs).  A more "complex" procedure
could look for at the content of the ca?dr, I guess, but I don’t know if
that’s necessary.

Rasmus

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