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[Gcl-devel] Re: Is Lisp more than another language?

From: Camm Maguire
Subject: [Gcl-devel] Re: Is Lisp more than another language?
Date: 06 Jun 2004 21:50:07 -0400
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The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to comp.lang.lisp as well.


Jeff Dalton <address@hidden> writes:

> David Steuber <address@hidden> writes:
> > Jeff Dalton <address@hidden> writes:
> > 
> > > David Steuber <address@hidden> writes:
> > > 
> > > > I only got off the ground with Lisp (if I am indeed off the ground)
> > > > because of the existence of SLIME. 
> > > 
> > > Can you say why?  I'm curious, because for me it would be
> > > the opposite.  Having to learn an IDE tool like SLIME
> > > would be an obstacle.
> > 
> > Well it's nice to use an editor for code.  But what's really nice is
> > that SLIME gives you a repl buffer as well as a code buffer.
> Emacs can do that for you: run your Lisp in a shell buffer.
> Your REPL is there, and you use other buffers for editing files.
> Here are some obstacles to using SLIME:
> * It works with only some Common Lisps.

Well I guess you mean GCL here.  It is my intention to get this
working right after 2.6.2 is released.  It is not difficult, and we've
already had some helpful feedback from the SLIME developers. 

2.6.2 is just wrapping up its release-quality regression tests right
now, and its looking quite good. Several new platforms, significant
performance improvements, greatly enhanced windows port, maxima, acl2,
and axiom across the board, (pc-)nqthm, plus an effectively infinite
(as far as can be discerned at present :-) error free rate on Paul's
random compiler 'torture' tester.

The first item of business for 2.7.0 is to clear the remaining ansi
compliance issues in the new ansi build.

Take care,

> * It looks like you're supposed to get it from the CVS
>   repository rather than just grabbing a tar file from a URL.
> * The web page http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/
>   currently doesn't work, and that's the site the obvious
>   Google search gives you and the one linked from Cliki.
> * You then have to learn the various commands and key
>   bindings.
> > You can play with things in the repl.  But what I really like is
> > that in the code buffer, I can do things like C-c C-c to compile
> > a function or macro definiton, C-x C-e to eval an expression,
> > C-c RET to see a macroexpand-1, etc.  The repl is there, but
> > the need to use it is greatly diminished.
> Ok, but those sound more like habits you'd get into
> after you'd been using SLIME for a while, rather than
> things that would get you off the ground with Lisp.
> Were you used to having an IDE for other languages before
> you started using Lisp?
> -- jd

Camm Maguire                                            address@hidden
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