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Re: [gNewSense-users] Show us the Code?
Kevin M. Dean
Re: [gNewSense-users] Show us the Code?
Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:16:21 -0500
Icedove 188.8.131.52 (X11/20061220)
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Ringo, I'm sure your intent with that was good, but I kind of find it
ironic you picked both global warming and smoking. I disagree with the
concept of global warming. Up until 3 weeks ago, I was also a smoker.
I think you proved my point EXACTLY.
gNewSense is not "marketed" as an alternative to Windows. It is
"marketed" as a Free Software distro. This mean that by *nature* it
stands against the restrictive licenses, digital rights mutilation,
treacherous computing, crippling at the hands of patents and other
threats to Freedom.
Apple's Mac OS X is *just* as restrictive as the Microsoft EULA. Apple
probably holds as many "software patents" as Microsoft does. When we
begin challenging MS to do things, but don't make that same challenege
to *everyone* meeting those circumstances, we not only look like
hypocrits, but we're also damaging our own mission. It leaves people
with the impression that Mac OS X is more acceptable than Windows.
I personally think our collective energy would be better spent educating
people as to why broad patents are a problem, rather than worrying about
Microsoft's (or any one company's) misuse of them.
Ringo Kamens wrote:
> Sorry, I'm trying to get better at that.
> On 26 Feb 2007 20:41:00 -0500, rek2GNU/Linux <address@hidden>
>> I agree with ringo for most part...
>> But ringot is not linux but gnu/linux
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Ringo Kamens" <address@hidden>
>> Date: Monday, Feb 26, 2007 8:19 pm
>> Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] Show us the Code?
>> To: "Kevin M. Dean" <address@hidden>
>> CC: address@hidden
>> While it's true that I don't see gnewsense as a distribution that
>> should be involved in "pissing contests" I believe it's worthwhile to add
>> our name to the list. When Microsoft makes libelous claims about
>> "patent infringement" it drives people away from using Linux. They
>> falsely believe linux is illegal or that doubt of its legality would
>> create problems. Have we seen this technique before? Yes. Tobacco
>> companies used it and in an internal memo said "doubt is our product". We
>> saw their campaigns "More doctors choose camel!". We are seeing oil
>> companies do this by inserting junk science and mis-information
>> campaigns into the media. 99% of scientists believe in global warming but
>> only about 50% of media articles do. This is the technique
>> Microsoft is using and I see no reason to stand by and watch it when
>> we could take action.
>> Ringo Kamens
>> On 2/25/07, Kevin M. Dean <address@hidden> wrote:
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>> > Honestly, I think statements like that are kind of useless.
>> > 1.) gNewSense is about promoting Freedom, not about thrashing those who
>> write non-free code.
>> > 2.) Microsoft will never actually release the source code. They have
>> officially stated that they are against the CONCEPT of open code, let
>> alone the possibility of them opening it themselves.
>> > I'd personally rather see gNewSense be seen as the distro that is all
>> about Free software, but stays out of the corporate pissing contests.
>> Ringo Kamens wrote:
>> > Open Letter to Steven Ballmer
>> > It's come to many in the Linux community's attention you have claimed
>> > again and again, that Linux violates Microsoft's intellectual
>> > property. Not only that, but it's been reported Microsoft has
>> > convinced businesses to pay for a Linux patent that you can't provide.
>> > Therefore, this website will serve as a response to this accusation,
>> > and within it, a request. The request is simple, since you,
>> > Microsoft, claim to be so sure of yourself: Show Us the Code.
>> > If Linux developers are made aware of the code, then the code can be
>> > omitted and Linux can re-write necessary aspects of the kernel or
>> > operating system. This is a fairly simple request and common
>> > courtesy. Why wave around lawsuit threats, threats that will cost
>> > Microsoft in a court room as well as the defendants? It lacks logic,
>> > especially when you consider that there are developers around the
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