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Re: [gNewSense-users] Just some things I'd like to say....

From: Karl Goetz
Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] Just some things I'd like to say....
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:19:10 +0930

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 11:08 -0400, Justin Baugh wrote:
> > Folks, this is a -devel list, primarily for discussion of work that people
> > are actually doing on Gobuntu. Most of the traffic so far as been "what we
> > want from Gobuntu" not "what we will put into Gobuntu". Please don't use
> > this list as a forum for demands about your ideal platform - use it to
> > discuss the work you are willing to put into bringing Gobuntu more into
> > line with that ideal.
> > Gobuntu exists as a forum for action - it will only be as good as the
> > effort that goes into it. Colin, Evan, Daniel Holbach and others will help
> > anyone who wants to put time and effort into Gobuntu achieve that goal.
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > Is he saying that, of all the feedback and ideas on how to make Gobuntu
> > more free he is acturaly telling us to basicaly shut up?!
> You missed his point entirely.
> What Shuttleworth is saying is that much like on this mailing list, there
> are lots of people occasionally clamoring for a feature or something they
> want - but want someone else to do it for them. Very rarely on this list
> (*please* correct me if I am wrong) do you see someone propose a feature
> that they actually implement themselves. PFV is the only exception of

We have a few of people coming with a request, and then disapearing when
they get told whats involved (typically backport requests).

> something that lots of people are helping with (btw Chris, as a sidenote,
> I disagree entirely that the bottleneck for having a updated gNS release
> is PFV. It would seem to be instead exclusively related to available
> developer time).

As i understand it, its not a bottle neck in a serious way. its *awsome*
to have it done, but until we arnt working on our next release because
its not done its not a bottle neck. Since gNS's goal was to base off
ubuntu LTS releases, we arnt there yet :)

> He's basically saying that people making endless requests is unhelpful.
> And you know what? He's right. It's far more helpful for someone to
> discuss what work they can actually do to achieve a goal rather than to
> just clamor for the goal over and over again. He's not telling people to
> shut up - rather, to put up. gNS should illustrate that making a totally
> free OS is not an easy task, and not to be taken lightly. Action is worth
> ten thousand words.

At least gNS has a 'how to help' page, and definitions as to what should
be taken out (etc). gobuntu currently lacks these.

> I don't think his response is so horrible, personally. I'm more than happy
> to entertain a discussion of why it is, however.
> -Justin

Karl Goetz,
Debian user / Ubuntu contributer / gNewSense contributer

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