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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: [OT] Architectural renovation

From: Stephen J. Turnbull
Subject: Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: [OT] Architectural renovation
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:18:28 +0900
User-agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, linux)

>>>>> "Bruce" == Bruce Stephens <address@hidden> writes:

    Bruce> I tried "apt-get install xemacs21-gnome-mule", and looked
    Bruce> at the Find dialog.  I don't know what was wrong (window
    Bruce> manager, gtk theme, bad Debian build, or whatever), but it
    Bruce> looked awful.  I wouldn't choose it for playing with based
    Bruce> on that.

If you don't get past that, you're not playing in the same world we

I don't have a problem with that, except that it's absolutely
symptomatic.  Basically what's happening is that people are saying
"XEmacs isn't as pretty as a real GNOME app" and uninstalling it,
while the developers say "so fix it already, you have the tools, you
can rebuild it, what are you waiting for, Six Million Dollars?!?"

While I think the world would be a much better place if the XEmacs
developers would make the sacrifices in terms of tasteful design that
are demanded by users of popular software, I don't think it's going to
happen.  We're not here to save the world; that's GNU Emacs's job.

What I think _can_ happen, what I'm aiming for in this thread, is to
use Tom's proposed architecture, or something similar, to make
pandering to popular taste possible without sacrificing developers'
design sensibilities.  But that won't reach "ordinary users" in this
design cycle (releasing in the spring, I hope; it will be the one
after that (no release date in prospect yet).

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