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[Gnu-arch-users] Re: [OT] engineering ethics and rhetoric in the modern

From: Zack Brown
Subject: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: [OT] engineering ethics and rhetoric in the modern age
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:34:45 -0700
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I don't know what to say, Tom. A lot of people feel you behave the way I
describe. Maybe you should "think harder" about whether you insult and
belittle people.

Be well,

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 11:53:38AM -0700, Tom Lord wrote:
>     > From: Zack Brown <address@hidden>
>     > So, the point of your long post below seems to be that there are
>     > certain issues of truth that should be considered in a rational
>     > and scientific way, and that you have been trying to do that.
> A bit more than that, actually -- and as a minor quibble, "scientific"
> is probably not quite the right word there.
> What you missed is that I also said your rude rhetorical habits
> preclude the possibility of you and I engaging in a calm, rational,
> critical discourse about these matters.
> You've repeatedly accused me things like "treating people poorly"
> citing as evidence your alleged paraphrases of what I've said.
> When I try to correct your misapprehensions of what I've said, because
> after all, miscommunication happens, you ignore those parts of my
> reply and repeat your accusations.  From my perspective, it's a bit
> like talking to a brick wall.
> Your long reply largely repeats the patterns.   Much of it is
> predicated on (my paraphrase, this time): "If I've understood you
> correctly, and I think I have ...."
> But you haven't.  Or if you have you've chosen to behave as if you
> haven't.   
> I submit that you are, perhaps, projecting some of your own issues
> about your understanding of yourself and relations between people onto
> me.  Perhaps you recognize in me signifiers of some element of
> yourself that you have repressed for one reason or another.  The other
> possibilities of intepretation are unspeakable but lead to the same
> conclusion: Have you considered therapy?  I don't mean that as an
> insult -- my sense in reading your reply and its detachment from what
> I've actually said is that you're tyring to work out some issue that
> is much deeper than this thread and really doesn't have all that much
> to do with me.
> "Be well,"
> -t

Zack Brown

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