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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???
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Tom Lord |
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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery??? |
Date: |
Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:02:22 -0800 (PST) |
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <address@hidden>
> Thank you for this opportunity to clarify my own thoughts.
I encourage you to try harder.
For example, you seem to be a bit inconsistent here:
At first, you criticised my outrage at the BK free use license on the
grounds that it was an offer for contract. Why should I feel outrage
concerning _your_ "right to contract" and "right to privacy"?
I answered the grounds for your criticisms quite directly and well, to
which you replied:
> yada yada yada :-(
and in the rest of your reply, made no further mention of those same
criticisms. Should I be reading "yadda yadda yadda" as if it said
"Yes, you are right, mine was not a valid criticism"?
> By the time you got to "outrage," you were
> once again so emotional as to forget to explain why. I still
> don't get it.
I forgot to explain?
I pointed to a wealth of arguments at fsf.org, endorsed Andrew's
"natural rights" argument, and outlined some arguments proceeding from
the idea that there is objectively such a thing as "socially
responsible engineering".
Why you would call any of those arguments "emotional" is something I
can only imagine.
> When the strongest direct argument you can come up with for your right
> to copy is "Nyaah, nyaah, nyaah, you can't stop me",
I did indeed endorse the "natural rights argument" which seems to be
what you refer to. The argument is not simply "you can't stop me from
copying software": it's a bit more sophisticated than that. The
argument is that to make prohibition of copying _enforcable_ by the
excutive and judiciary, one would have to create an unreasonably
intrusive state ("a facist state" in traditional hacker speak). I do
think it outrageous if you want to do business in a way that will
require facism to enforce your contracts.
-t
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, (continued)
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/10
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Andrew Suffield, 2003/11/10
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/10
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Andrew Suffield, 2003/11/11
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/12
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Tom Lord, 2003/11/10
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Paul Hedderly, 2003/11/10
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Tom Lord, 2003/11/10
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, zander, 2003/11/11
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/11
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???,
Tom Lord <=
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/12
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Tom Lord, 2003/11/12
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/13
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/13
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Tom Lord, 2003/11/14
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Tom Lord, 2003/11/14
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/18
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/17
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Tom Lord, 2003/11/17
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: Slavery???, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/19