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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?
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Clark McGrew |
Subject: |
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla? |
Date: |
Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:52:44 -0500 |
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 11:33, Tom Lord wrote:
> I've been thinking a lot since it came up about how to actually
> build itla.
>
> I believe it would be about 1-3 month's work to get a useful first
> release that is then fairly easy to extend. I also think it would
> wind up eventually being a very handy tool for writing an arch GUI and
> for writing overarch-style functionality.
> The question I'm stuck on is how much "demand" there is for itla.
> Opinions? Ideas? Rants? Tips? I think it's a pretty exciting idea
> but I'm not sure what priority to give it relative to other projects.
Your description sounds fantastic and think that it will go a long way
to removing the barriers that are preventing people from adopting ARCH
as a CVS replacement. My feeling is that there is a lot of
dissatisfaction with CVS, but no viable replacements. If ARCH can
become a "just works" solution the latent demand is probably huge. In
fact, if itla shipped with a set of rules that more or less implemented
a CVS like centralized archive shared by a bunch of users, and provided
commands that behaved like the common CVS versions (cvs update, cvs get,
cvs commit), I think people might use ARCH as a drop-in replacement for
CVS. Once they've been hooked, they can learn how powerful arch really
is.
I like the idea that ITLA would be extended in the GNU extension
language (guile).
You refer to downloading project rule-sets and I think that the
definition of a rule-set may be the crucial design point. Do you have
specific thoughts about what a "rule set" is and how different rule sets
should interact. Consider a site wants to have defaults (might define
the default hostname that goes into identifiers, site specific commands
or even a default shared directory for archives), a project that wants
to define a "rule-set" (new commands, archive locations, etc), a user
that wants to override certain definitions (for instance different email
address for different projects, overrides for specific projects) , and
branch specific definitions (my-cat--branch1--01 and my-cat--branch2--01
might merge and push to different places). This might be achieved by
allowing rule-sets to be "chained" together and when a command or value
is required, the first rule-set to define the command could take
precedence.
> ITLA
>
>
> ITLA is the name for a proposed program which acts as an extensible,
> interactive front end to tla. It could be used for a long-lived
> interactive session (like GDB), or for one shot commands.
Most of this sounds wonderful, but I wonder if most users will want a
long lived session. My intuition is that most users will prefer to use
their own command line shell (e.g. bash) and that implies providing a
facility to implement bash command line completion. Also, command
startup time and ways to cache itla state between one-shot commands are
considerations.
-Cheers,
Clark
--
Clark McGrew Univ. at Stony Brook, Physics and Astronomy
<address@hidden> 631-632-8299
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, (continued)
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Andrew Suffield, 2003/11/20
- [Gnu-arch-users] Re: is there demand for itla?, Miles Bader, 2003/11/20
- [Gnu-arch-users] Re: is there demand for itla?, Andrew Suffield, 2003/11/20
- [Gnu-arch-users] Re: is there demand for itla?, Miles Bader, 2003/11/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: is there demand for itla?, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: is there demand for itla?, Bruce Stephens, 2003/11/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: is there demand for itla?, Andrew Suffield, 2003/11/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Andrea Arcangeli, 2003/11/18
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Doran, 2003/11/17
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Tom Lord, 2003/11/17
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?,
Clark McGrew <=
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2003/11/18
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Clark McGrew, 2003/11/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, zander, 2003/11/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Tom Lord, 2003/11/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Charles Duffy, 2003/11/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Clark McGrew, 2003/11/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Clark McGrew, 2003/11/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Robert Collins, 2003/11/19
Re: [Gnu-arch-users] is there demand for itla?, Andrea Arcangeli, 2003/11/18