Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US

[Pierce T . Wetter III]

On Jul 12, 2004, at 7:45 PM, Samium Gromoff wrote:

> Pierce T.Wetter III wrote:
> > > Think of Israel.
> >
> >   What about Israel? You're writing from a .ru domain, and you're
> > complaining
> > about money sent to some country in the Middle East? At least Israel
> > is at least trying to be a democracy.
>
> Upon reading this i bursted into laughter.
>
> Israel. Democracy. US giving them money so that they can support that
> democracy.

 Well, I intended that to be provocative, but really, in what other 
nations in the Middle East are the populace allowed to vote? You can 
argue that the Palestinians aren't allowed to vote, but that's a 
function of the Palestinian Authority, not Israel. Both the US and 
Israel have suggested that it would be a good thing if they had regular 
elections...

 Being a democracy doesn't mean you can go around killing people who 
piss you off. In fact, it makes you really effective at doing so.

 That is: democracy != nice. Democracy is just one of the most 
effective ways to run a government. Mostly, IMHO, because it gives the 
populace to loudly tell the government when they're doing something 
stupid.


> And they support that democracy by systematically destroying arab 
> houses.

 They support that democracy by destroying _Palestinian_ houses.
There are arabs who live elsewhere in Israel who can vote in their 
elections, and who don't get their houses destroyed. In fact, prior to 
US involvement in Iraq, the only place arabs COULD vote was Israel. Now 
they can vote in _two_ countries. WhooHoo! Progress... :-)

 I'm not going to argue that the Israeli's are saints, I'm just 
pointing out that for a long time, they were the only democracy in the 
region, and that counts for a lot was the US. The Palestinian Authority 
hasn't exactly been a model government except perhaps as a model 
kleptocracy. I think the US has even offered the PA aid, all they have 
to do is keep their books public so we can audit how badly we're 
getting robbed...

> They even coined a term -- Low Intensity Conflict.
>
> I`ve seen it on a broschure some folks i work with brought from Israel.
>
> It had some vague words about changes of the type of wars which
> are going on around the globe nowadays and how it is related to the
> unipolar world and the need for the governments worldwide to be
> prepared for challenges posed by those LIC`s.
>
> When i saw it i thought: "what crazy stuff"...

 Well, its hard for me to refute that without seeing the brochure, 
after all the brochure might be put out by some nutjob in Israel. You 
can get brochures from the Nazi's in America. Even Communists! (like 
either of those philosophies  haven't be throughly discredit yet)

 Pierce