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Re: GPL and other licences


From: Alfred M\. Szmidt
Subject: Re: GPL and other licences
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:46:02 +0100

       Each licensee is addressed as "you".

   "You" in the GPL refers only to licensees.  To be a licensee, you
   have to enter into interaction with a licensor.

And since I have a copy of the program, I am the licensee.  Simple, is
it not?

   They don't say anything different.  How comes you just make
   _claims_ about the GPL without actually quoting anything that would
   support your point?

If I had to start quoting things, then I'd have to quote the whole
license for you, since you are obviously incapable of reading it.  I
assume that anyone here has a copy of the GPL, and can read the
sections.  If you don't I can give you a copy of the whole license,.

   Quote it, then.

It is pointless to quote things that the other party will simply not
read, as you on a contibued basis do.

   >    Without ownership of a physical copy, there is no licensee.
   >
   > Once again, I do NOT have to be the owner of the CD to accept the
   > license.

   You can accept the license all you want, but that does not give you
   the right to access a physical copy of the code owned by somebody
   else.

If that person gave me access to the physical copy, it does.  Have you
bothered reading _anything_?  It isn't the simply matter of just being
able to access it, it is the simple matter of actually being legally
allowed to do so.  This has been stated, restated, and repated so many
times that I'm getting quite bored of doing it.  If you are not
interested in actually reading anything that is written, and
understand it, please state it so that we don't have to waste our
times.

   Section 0:

       Each licensee is addressed as "you".

   Bystanders are not addressed by the license.  Only licensees are.

Since I have recived a legal copy of the program, I am the liecnsee.

   > I recived the source code from my employeer.  I get the right to
   > copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code
   > in any medium (provided I do some stuff which I didn't quote
   > here).

   Nobody gives you that right.  

The license does. 

   The copy is owned by your employer.

The CD is owned by the employeer, yes.  Not the software.

   You are not free to do with is as you like.

Nobody claimed so, stop inventing things.

   Even if he were breaking the
   license in some manner by not letting you use it like you want to
   (which he doesn't), the only party that has a legal standing against
   that would be the copyright holder, not you.  

Sure, but nobody claimed otherwise, once again, stop inventing things.
The employeer gave legal access to the software to the employee, the
employee can accept the license.

   You can't take the justice (or in this case rather the putative
   justice) for the copyright holder into your own hands.

Once again, nobody claimed this.  Stop inventing things.

   >    The terms of the license apply to the licensee, not every
   >    bystander.  You are not a licensee.
   >
   > Since I recived the source code, *I*AM*IN*FACT*THE*LICENSEE*.
   > The GNU General Public License version 2 explcicly states this.

   It doesn't.  And waffling about that won't change it.  Quote anything
   that would state such a thing.

I have quoted several sections, that you are incapable to be bothered
to understand those sections is not my fault.





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