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Re: More FSF hypocrisy


From: Rjack
Subject: Re: More FSF hypocrisy
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:38:59 -0400
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Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Rjack <address@hidden> wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <address@hidden> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote:

Rjack, Therekov, amicus something, and all those trolls will NEVER see this or that. Their sole purpose is to make people loose time answering them and to polute mailing lists.

Oh no, we're still here.  :-)  I do moderation on some other
GNU mailing lists, but not this one. The moderation is purely to exclude advertising and, occasionally, excessive swearing. Once you get into censorship, no matter how good the reasons, you are on a slippery slope to being no better than the people you're shutting out.

The posts by the above mentioned "trolls" are, in general, constrained to the topic of intellectual property and copyright
 licensing.

Yes. There's much more to GNU than licensing and "intellectual property".

There isn't anything to "GNU" except advancing the core belief
that intellectual property and those who practice its principles are
evil. The GPL is *THE* holy grail of the GNU World. Expose the GPL
licensing scheme for what it is and the GNU World is relegated to
the dustbin of failed socialist history.

Your (plural) posts on one small (if significant) aspect of the GPL are so repetitive that they are spam. Their effect is to drive out all meaningful discussion on other topics. That is Rui's complaint. Consider whether or not you want this newsgroup/mailing list to work as it was intended. Consider also whether you've been getting a kick out of all this obsessive posting, and whether it's consistent with the sort of person you
 want to be.

When ad hominen attacks are launched against thoughtful individuals posting to this newsgroup, there is, of course, going to be a return in kind.

Oh, you've noticed, have you?

Just another thing: this mailing list and newsgroup was set up by
 the FSF to promote its purposes.  Seeing as how you're using FSF
infrastructure (in particular, its mailing list servers) to spread your views, perhaps some respect for that organization on
 your part is called for.

Although you may think that the Free Software Foundation owns Usenet
it doesn't. If you don't want to read criticism posted to Usenet
then unlink the FSF servers from Usenet or moderate (censor) them. I
post to servers owned by Giganews.


Note that even as you continue to bombard GNU with continually repeated insults (yes, insults), there is no call to censor you, and I can guarantee to you that Richard Stallman would not countenance any such censoring, were he to express a view.

One man's perceived insult is another man's ode to truth.


Note, I'm not saying that the legitimacy of the GPL isn't a valid
 topic here; it clearly is.  I'm saying that hundreds of posts on
 the topic, sometimes that many in a single week, is an abuse of
 this forum.

If you want to continue attacking GNU and the FSF, and you've any
 sense of decency in you, you'll go and do it somewhere where you
 won't be abusing the FSF's resources.

I've never considered truthful and accurate legal analysis as "abuse".

On the other hand, if you want intelligently to discuss a variety
 of topics relevant to GNU, I'd be more than happy to engage you
 in debate.

The GNU core belief is the socialist's dream of the destruction of
intellectual property. Its leaders love to spout vitriol concerning
people who hold contrary beliefs.

Before you launch into a long-winded denial why not read Richard
Stallman:

"That's unethical, they shouldn't be making any money. I hope to see
all proprietary software wiped out. That's what I aim for. That
would be a World in which our freedom is respected. A proprietary
program is a program that is not free. That is to say, a program
that does respect the user's essential rights. That's evil. A
proprietary program is part of a predatory scheme where people who
don't value their freedom are drawn into giving it up in order to
gain some kind of practical convenience. And then once they're
there, it's harder and harder to get out. Our goal is to rescue
people from this."

http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/bangalore-rms-transcript

How about Eben Moglen:

http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/

<Freeing the Mind: Free Software and the Death of Proprietary Culture>

<The dotCommunist Manifesto>

<The DotCommunist Manifesto: How Culture Became Property and What
We're Going to Do About It>

<Anarchism Triumphant: Free Software and the Death of Copyright>

When you represent an organization dedicated to churning out
propaganda supporting such provocative "GNU" ideals then you should
expect return fire.

Stop whining!


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