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Re: Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic


From: wayne, steve
Subject: Re: Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:27:04 -0500

Why is there a suggested move away from money? It's a useful way to keep track of things.

What does money keep track of? Suggested reading:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Modern_Money_Mechanics.pdf

wayne

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> First, we need to purchase the components to build the services we provide to ourselves;
> Second, in order to connect with the wider existing network (initially, anyway) we need some entry point into that network which is likely to be a utility service provided by the extant capitalist system.
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> But where does the money for interfacing in these ways come from? According to one of your statements, in the VIPM services and products are offered for the promise of future work. Yet such promises do not pay the utility or component costs of operating an ISP...and that is -just- the ISP. 
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> What about other vital services and products? Such as those related to personal transportation; for instance, I ride bike everywhere I go and bikes are not, any more than computer equipment, exempt from the laws of entropy and will always on a long enough timeline require maintenance or replacement. What about healthcare? It is fine to suggest that someone with a degree in medicine -should- provide those services for the promise of future repayment from patients, yet this kind of promise does not provide any financial liability buffer against legal action involved in malpractice disputes. Even IF you manage to construct an effective legal barrier against such actions, what recourse is there for those who feel they have been wronged by those providing healthcare? Does the legal barrier allow any person claiming to have medical knowledge or experience practice without qualification?
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> Don't get me wrong; I am all about owning the means of production. I am currently involved in an ongoing discussion with the owner of the company I work for, trying to convince him to turn the company into a democratic, worker-owned cooperative. I also donate time and money volunteering at my local independent media center: by the end of the summer, we hope to be hosting our own Diaspora server and community wiki.
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> wayne
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> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Ramana Kumar <address@hidden> wrote:
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>> It seems like what you are describing is basically a cooperative (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative). How do your proposals differ from setting up a cooperative for, e.g., internet access, if they do? Would cooperatives be a viable option for achieving our goals and our freedom?
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>> Also, what do you have to say about the normal way for people to own for-profit companies, namely by buying shares? If we organised to own most of an existing company this way could we not achieve our goals?
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