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Re: two slur beginning on a same note


From: David Raleigh Arnold
Subject: Re: two slur beginning on a same note
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:31:29 -0500

Rune Zedeler wrote:
> 
> Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> 
> > there has been some discussion before, but basically a tie by
> > definition is on notes with the same pitch. Maybe we should introduce
> > phrasing marks (eg. with \( and \).  What do you think?)
> 
> What do you mean with phrasing marks?
> If you mean "semi tie" then there is no need for two commands. How about
> \~ ?
> 
> -Rune
-----------------yhs

Phrase marks are necessary, and it is common for them to start on the
note that also originates a slur or tie. All of the notes (after the
first) encompassed in a slur mark are actually slurred, but none of the
notes encompassed by a phrase mark can be assumed to be slurred.

What is a semi tie? It is a good term for a fingering indication using a
dotted curved line, indicating the retention of a finger, but I don't
think that is what you mean. Do you mean a tie to nothing?

====================mats:
I cannot see why we should introduce 
another syntax for phrasing slurs, since they are typeset exactly 
in the same way as any other slur.

----------Yhs
Not really. Slurs are usually shorter, and much more likely to be very
close to a notehead, while a phrase mark may extend to or even overlap
notes and stems horizontally. A separate usage for slurs and phrase
marks solves the problem of slurs and/or ties originating at the same
point, because, again, a slur and tie cannot have the same originating
note because a note cannot be physically both tied and slurred, but a
tied note, and any number of slurs, can obviously be included in the
same phrase.

Since slurs are almost entirely pure decoration in piano music, I don't
understand this reluctance of piano players to make them prettier.

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