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Re: [Egadss-devel] Re: [Gnumed-devel] incompatibility between glif and g

From: Syan Tan
Subject: Re: [Egadss-devel] Re: [Gnumed-devel] incompatibility between glif and gnumed ?
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:58:46 +0800

then it is a teaching tool only ?  Darn. It does have a fairly easy-to-use forms gui, ( although I think something about 75%

of computer science students would attempt this during their course,

e.g. the block form generated from attributes , but it allows the option of
inserting a form within a form ) , and it can be backended by a relational database, so why not up its query facility,

(just translate paths to the class and slot id and link together with a lot of ands to create a sql select statement ;

of course would only work if  the backend was mandatory relational ).

The instance display substitution is a good idea as well.

The scalability of search in relational databases is provided by indexes and automatic query optimizing, I gather.

Are you sure Protege couldn't be used for application building with a little modification ? 

On Sun Jan 8 9:13 , Tim Churches sent:

Syan Tan wrote:
> at the moment, playing with the protege gui, searching is still pretty crap
> (only exact match instances of a class,
> not search on say a path e.g. identity.dob.year >= 1950 and
> identity.dob.year <=1960 and = Male


Protege is intended as a tool to develop an ontology, not to provide
practical implementations of it. The ability to create instances of
classes is there only to make it easier to "field test" the ontology
against real-life examples of instances of classes and subclasses
easier, not as a place to actually store lots of class instances in a
production setting. Hence teh rudimentary search facilties etc.

Tim C

> *On Sun Jan 8 4:59 , Syan Tan sent:
> *
> thanks for that. How about another question? Is Protege scalable ?
> Can you build an EMR using Protege types ?
> Where is there open source scalable ontology software ?
> *On Sat Jan 7 10:22 , Glen McCallum sent:
> *
> Problems that EGADSS encountered with GLIF:
> 1) Licensing. When we looked at GLIF, there was no license. It was
> communicated to us that they intended the GLIF specification to be
> "open," hence they attached no license or copyright to the
> specification. It's not quite that easy so our manager spoke to them
> about public domain and open source documentation licenses. I'm not
> sure if they took action based on that talk or if they left the
> specification the way it was.
> 2) Completeness. GLIF is not a complete or implementable
> specification. It's a conceptual specification, which looks really
> nice with all the UML diagrams, etc, etc. But when you get down to
> the nitty gritty, there's little a low-level implementor can take and
> work with. You can only model guidelines on a conceptual level. In
> order to implement a GLIF engine, you would first have to write
> formal syntax and semantics for the language (no small task). Make
> no mistake, this is a show stopper.
> 3) Standards. GLIF is not a standard. Using standards is a high
> priority for egadss. In my opinion, the likelihood of GLIF becoming a
> standard in the near future, in light of (2), is not very good.
> Thanks for including us in this thread. I hope this is helpful.
> Best Regards,
> ~Glen McCallum
> Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
> On 7-Jan-06, at 8:41 AM, J Busser wrote:
> > The following had been posted on the egadds list a little over a
> > year ago (\).
>> I am not sure if they anticipate
> > interoperability with GLIF.
> >
> >> ... we could have licensing issues with GLIF. ...McGill University
> >> is involved in GLIF and they are known not to favor open source
> >> though I do not know about open content. The issue presented...
> >> is not a GLIF or a GEL(LO) problem. It is a Protege issue data
> >> storage and export issue. Can this be addressed by a modification
> >> to the plug-in?
> >
> >
> > At 7:07 AM +0800 1/7/06, Syan Tan wrote:
> >> Is there an incompatibility between glif and gnumed ? I downloaded
> >> a specification for glif (guideline interchange format) , and I
> >> was wondering if gnumed could have an implementaion , e.g. with a
> >> glif editor, and possibly a glif viewer. Later could be
> >> incorporated as a glif popup , if coding systems firms up.
> >
> >
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