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Fwd: Arguments for Obj-C++ in GCC 4.0

From: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
Subject: Fwd: Arguments for Obj-C++ in GCC 4.0
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:12:49 +0100

The most important tool for a Developer is not a fancy IDE but still the compiler. "Our" compiler, GCC is in it 4.0 incarnation currently not able to compile GNUstep, see:

and more clearly in its Duplicates: and

maybe even worse is the fact that this bug is *not* considered critical and has been taken of the release milestone 4.0.0 by the release manager of GCC (see:, in order to get the number of open bugs down and this way GCC ready for a release - this tactic reminds me to the way leaders of "people-owned" companies in the former East-Germany "over-accomplished" the government schedules: make a schedule, see that you won't accomplish it, reduce the schedule drastically and then over accomplish that "corrected" schedule by a huge amount, praise yourself).

This would be not our problem if GCC would be just "some ObjC compiler" (in this case it would be GCCs problem) but GCC is the only freely available Compiler that is capable of compiling GNUstep.

What do I want from you now? See, if I am the only one that is active in some way (although I lack the insight into GCCs code and I think compilers are no easy bussiness) writing mails, pinging patches, trying to advocate and so on people possibly think: "what a crazy guy yelling around here" and consider me a troller or worse. If more people would speak up we could maybe (just by the amount of us) convince the GCC maintainers that Objective-C/Objective-C++ is *not just* a strange language for strange people (like me ;-)) but something that is actually used and needed.

So please get involved into GCC development (even if it is just submitting bug reports, testing the Objective-C part of GCC meticulously or requesting features on address@hidden (*politely* please! I am talking to you, Mr BIOS ;-))

This is what happens else:

Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:

Von: Joe Buck <address@hidden>
Datum: Sa, 22. Jan 2005  02:18:03 Europe/Berlin
An: Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf <address@hidden>
Cc: Laski Ziemowit <address@hidden>, address@hidden
Betreff: Re: Arguments for Obj-C++ in GCC 4.0

On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 12:20:23AM +0100, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote:
here are some arguments if you need them to get obj-c++ out of the door
for 4.0

"A bunch of people on IRC are unhappy" is not an argument.  The code is
ready when it's ready.

The issues raised by Geoff Keating were not "bureaucracy", they were
technical, and they were resolved; the final resolution was

This was an important issue because the wrong design would have slowed
down the C and C++ compilers more. As it is, all C and C++ users will pay
a slight penalty due to the support of ObjC++, but a threshold (no more
than 1% cost) was agreed to and was met.

Many of the comments in the IRC log you quote seem misinformed or out of

regards, Lars

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