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Re: [Groff] groff as a backend

From: Lars Segerlund
Subject: Re: [Groff] groff as a backend
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:06:08 +0100

 I wonder, how doable it would be to paste some groff support onto LyX .. it 
should already have everything needed, it only needs a bit on 'glue' , ( btw. 
make that only also in curcumflexes ).

 / Lars Segerlund.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:54:49 +0000
"Pete Phillips" <address@hidden> wrote:

> >>>>> "Ted" =3D=3D (Ted Harding) <address@hidden> writes:
>     Ted> As to a conventional "WYSIWYG" (i.e. the user edits in a
>     Ted> graphics screen where he has the impression of working on the
>     Ted> formatted output, =E0 la Word), I'm inclined to think this is not
>     Ted> well suited for groff. I'm inclined from experience to think
>     Ted> exactly the same for TeX/LaTeX, with reference to LyX and
>     Ted> Scientific Word. I had hoped to improve my acquaintance with
>     Ted> TeX/LaTeX by working with LyX as a sort of initiation, but
>     Ted> found LyX hard to use to get desired effects, and actually
>     Ted> found it was easier and more profitable to work with a text
>     Ted> editor on the source file. Later, trying out Scientific Word, I
>     Ted> found similar problems.
> I have to say that although I am a vi/emacs addict (if you haven't used
> MH-E to process your mail, give it a try), the LyX/LaTeX model works
> well - LyX lets you embed ERT (evil red text - i.e., raw TeX or LaTeX
> commands), and it doesn't try to do WYSIWYG as such, but rather shows
> you the general layout. You can preview as dvi, pdf etc from one of the
> menus, and also ask it to update an already running xdvi session.
> All in all, LyX is a great tool for scientific papers. Combined with
> pybliographic you can point at a reference in pybliographic and it
> squirts it into LyX using a named pipe. Also cross-referencing works
> very elegantly in LyX.  There is no doubt that doing references,
> pictures, tables, cross-references etc in LyX is faster than doing it
> with raw latex or groff, but the downside is no vi compatible
> keystrokes, so entering text isn't as fast nor is it fun (although I'm
> pretty competent with emacs keystrokes, nothing beats vi IMHO).
> We have been able to do unusual things with LyX by embedding latex in
> the files - just tell your users "DO NOT TOUCH THE RED TEXT!".
> Regarding Larry's point about docbook, we use docbook for production of
> papers for our online journal which we
> postprocess with a tool from AxKit (perl based).  Yes, it is verbose,
> but it allows us flexibility to rewrite the post-processing scripts
> should we want to change, for example, the bibliography style, or the
> order in which we present author information etc. As a result we can
> reprocess all of our articles to get a consistent style.  LyX is
> supposed to be able to produce docbook output, but I've never tried
> that.
> Pete
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