Re: Graphical Installer - Call for Testing.

[John Darrington]

Zile is the emacs clone that the disk-image comes with by default.
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On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 07:47:56PM +0100, Taylan Ulrich Bay??rl??/Kammer wrote:
     myglc2 <address@hidden> writes:
     
     > On 01/06/2017 at 21:50 John Darrington writes:
     >
     >>      3) install emacs?
     >>
     >> I would be reluctant to do that by default:
     >>
     >> Firstly it's a slippery slope.  The next person will say "No! install 
vi! or nano, or ....".
     >>
     >> Secondly, I think the intended way for Guix to be configured is to have 
     >> the system profile relatively sparse.  Editors belong in the user
     >> profiles.
     >
     > I have tried it both ways.  In practice the root user will want an
     > editor to edit the config. So it seems illogical to me not to include an
     > editor. The problem is that the editor will depend on the politics of
     > the system admin ;=)
     >
     > In my case I want emacs, so I put emacs in my system configs.
     
     There's a tiny emacs-like editor called mg.  In terms of size/features,
     mg is to Emacs what vi is to Vim.
     
     If you ask me, every headless server or similar system should come with
     vi, mg, and nano; together they cover all bases and are all tiny so
     installing them by default doesn't hurt.
     
     Emacs, Vim, or another big editor can be installed at discretion of the
     user.
     
     The package 'nvi' provides classic vi under Guix.  Nano and mg are their
     own packages.  Here's their closure sizes:
     
     address@hidden:~$ guix size mg
     store item                                                       total    
self
     /gnu/store/kxdvx4ks927537z4ndzca39q0bal81rj-mg-20050429             66.9   
  0.2   0.2%
     /gnu/store/xydfiifs9slq0wv6n8j6p26icn2ihn88-ncurses-6.0             66.7   
  5.7   8.6%
     /gnu/store/cdi08kw7r6r684w8mk0xq0dkgpjhfpmd-gcc-4.9.4-lib           61.0   
 22.7  34.0%
     /gnu/store/iwgi9001dmmihrjg4rqhd6pa6788prjw-glibc-2.24              38.3   
 36.8  55.1%
     /gnu/store/rvgmixpmsq5lqr9qflhkm70kg7a4rys2-bash-static-4.4.0        1.4   
  1.4   2.1%
     total: 66.9 MiB
     address@hidden:~$ guix size nvi
     store item                                                       total    
self
     /gnu/store/bls7waxw1yfxgqzwbwa88r065hi45pvj-nvi-1.81.6              85.5   
  1.6   1.8%
     /gnu/store/xydfiifs9slq0wv6n8j6p26icn2ihn88-ncurses-6.0             66.7   
  5.7   6.7%
     /gnu/store/1pmfxq5amb2rngj1i6c6gi93sy0yrngx-bdb-6.2.23              65.8   
  4.8   5.6%
     /gnu/store/cdi08kw7r6r684w8mk0xq0dkgpjhfpmd-gcc-4.9.4-lib           61.0   
 22.7  26.6%
     /gnu/store/qkw4zrwfybxww8f56nkb6hggxambk89b-bash-4.4.0              50.7   
  5.4   6.4%
     /gnu/store/bm0gfw4jkw8gd0vpnnzrb6z0xncrbx3p-readline-7.0            45.3   
  1.3   1.5%
     /gnu/store/hdrli1v7q3107w842s7di8rid82xlfvl-ncurses-6.0             44.0   
  5.7   6.7%
     /gnu/store/iwgi9001dmmihrjg4rqhd6pa6788prjw-glibc-2.24              38.3   
 36.8  43.1%
     /gnu/store/rvgmixpmsq5lqr9qflhkm70kg7a4rys2-bash-static-4.4.0        1.4   
  1.4   1.7%
     total: 85.5 MiB
     address@hidden:~$ guix size nano
     store item                                                       total    
self
     /gnu/store/q76f7ncp6yvmpj2yfqy336iqbqajk9z0-nano-2.7.2              72.7   
  1.7   2.4%
     /gnu/store/xydfiifs9slq0wv6n8j6p26icn2ihn88-ncurses-6.0             66.7   
  5.7   7.9%
     /gnu/store/06icf5h4z83mw5g17a58fy26z14dsj9z-file-5.28               65.3   
  4.3   5.9%
     /gnu/store/cdi08kw7r6r684w8mk0xq0dkgpjhfpmd-gcc-4.9.4-lib           61.0   
 22.7  31.3%
     /gnu/store/iwgi9001dmmihrjg4rqhd6pa6788prjw-glibc-2.24              38.3   
 36.8  50.6%
     /gnu/store/rvgmixpmsq5lqr9qflhkm70kg7a4rys2-bash-static-4.4.0        1.4   
  1.4   2.0%
     total: 72.7 MiB
     address@hidden:~$
     
     As you see, they don't depend on many (if any) libraries that aren't
     very likely to be installed as dependencies of something else anyway,
     and their own size adds up to a mere 3.5 MB.
     
     Taylan

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