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Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.
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swedebugia |
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Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth. |
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Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:27:59 +0100 |
On 2019-03-27 16:00, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>
> Pierre wrote:
>> Finally, as I mentioned above with the completion systems that we have,
>> we've got nothing to lose in having long names.
Reading the arguments of Ricardo I changed my mind and support keeping
the variable names short.
>
> swedebugia wrote:
>> Good useability is important and cryptic acronyms are not something to
>> expose to the user if possible to avoid IMO.
>
>> Maybe this is where we need to discuss what our target audience is?
>> Nerds only? […]
>
> This is a false dichotomy, in my opinion. Good usability is not at odds
> with using short package names. I also think that the length of package
> names is not going to be a deciding factor for somebody who is not a
> “nerd”, so let’s not go down this tangent please. There are different
> interfaces to package managers, and we’re currently not offering fully
> functional interfaces that would be more suitable for people without a
> “techie” background. If you want to make Guix more accessible *that’s*
> a screw to turn, not the length of package names.
Thanks for sharing this. I regret having written this as a dichotomy.
I'm actually very happy with guix overall and the guix-web frontend is
awesome. :)
I'm sorry if I added tension to this discussion. I will try expressing
myself less confrontationally going forward.
>
> Completion should not be used as an excuse to use long package names.
> For one, not everyone is using Bash, so not everyone benefits from our
> Bash completions. (Some shells can reuse Bash completions but this does
> not invalidate the point.)
I agree.
>
> The package name is just an identifier for command line interaction
> purposes. There is no reason why it should be descriptive – after all,
> that’s what the package description is used for. Users can easily find
> the package they are interested in by using the search feature. That
> will give them the short name by which they can refer to the package.
> Having that short name be long serves little purpose.
I agree.
Would you agree that we try to strike a compromise with short package
variable names, synopsis' and longer descriptions? Should we state this
clearly in the documentation for packagers?
I guess a GUI-search would work like guix-web and search all three for
hits and displaying the results.
--
Cheers Swedebugia
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- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Ludovic Courtès, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Pierre Neidhardt, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., swedebugia, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Ludovic Courtès, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Ricardo Wurmus, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Pierre Neidhardt, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Ricardo Wurmus, 2019/03/28
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Pierre Neidhardt, 2019/03/28
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.,
swedebugia <=
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Pierre Neidhardt, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Daniel Jiang, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, 2019/03/27
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Pierre Neidhardt, 2019/03/28
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, 2019/03/29
- Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth., Andreas Enge, 2019/03/29
- Naming, hacking, and policies, Ludovic Courtès, 2019/03/29
- Re: Naming, hacking, and policies, Ricardo Wurmus, 2019/03/29
- Re: Naming, hacking, and policies, Ludovic Courtès, 2019/03/31