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RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs


From: vincent
Subject: RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:45:03 +0100

Hi

The solution I went for was to buy Learning GNU Emacs 3rd Edition, Cameron
et al, pub O'Reilly.
ISBN 0-596-00648-9

Hope this helps

Vincent


> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden
> Behalf Of address@hidden
> Sent: 07 July 2006 18:33
> To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> Cc: address@hidden
> Subject: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
> 
> 
> 
> hello all,
> 
> because i started the discussion i am feeling constrained to 
> say some words to the discussion with the background of an 
> emacs beginner.
> first of all my motivation. the last years i worked with 
> ultraedit and was quite content. then i changed my job and 
> ultraedit wasn't  available any more. i didn't want to write 
> a requst for buying software and so i searched with google 
> for an advanced open source editor which was capable of 
> editing columns.
> i wasn't the first with that problem and nearly all answers i 
> found in different discussion groups pointed to emacs. as an 
> old friend of open source software i knew emacs and his 
> history but i didn't dare until yet to use it becaues all 
> people i know said its so complicated and time consuming to learn it.
> next i went to the emacs homepage and downloaded the 
> win32-binaries and installed it. Looking for help i was a 
> little bit confused about the many links and  headlines below 
> the point  Getting Help with GNU Emacs.
> next i looked at the help menu. Glad to see the point 
> tutorial i started to work through and after a few hours i 
> was ready to start. but now i was faced with typical editing 
> problems. for example i wanted to move a paragraph from one 
> point in the document to the other. in ultraedit (or notepad 
> or proton or ...) a quite simple task: (text marking with the 
> mouse C-x C-v). in emacs at the first look a little bit more 
> complicated or at least unfamiliar to me. i didn't found such 
> an example in the emacs manual  and it took quite a time to 
> find one with google. next i wanted to delete all empty 
> lines, search and replace strings and so on, typical edit tasks 
> at least i bought the book learning ggnu emacs and after a 
> while i read somewhere maybe in the book maybe in the 
> internet that its better to open every file in the same 
> frame. so i came to emacsW32. because i had a problem with 
> the installation (my fault, look some emails before) i 
> thought a way to solve it would be to edit the .emacs-file. 
> again i looked in the manual but i didn't find something. i 
> was still a beginner and i didn't know at all that the 
> .emacs-file and elisp has the same basics.
> but i stayed  stiff-necked and after a lot fo attempts i 
> found a solution which worked but i wasn't really content. so 
> i wrote to the list and lennard helped me out. but i wanted a 
> list of all possible customization commands. the solution 
> came from drew adams (M-x customize-apropos-options RET . 
> RET). that was i looked for. and after the mails of eli i 
> took a second closer look to the manual and now i am quite 
> sure that nearly everything about emacs i can find there and 
> i am sure with more experience i will use the manual more 
> extensively. eli is also right that many internetsites are 
> outdated and pointing in the wrong direction. BUT if you are 
> a emacs-newbie, at least for me, the manual is very confusing 
> maybe because its so powerfull, like emacs itself. at the 
> first time all i had needed would be a simple document with 
> normal tasks:
> 
> 1) installation and configuration (for me especially with windows)
> 2) simple emacs-commandos like described in the tutorial in 
> the emacs help menu
> 3) more extensivly examples for typical editing tasks like 
> search and replace, copy and paste, rectangle editing, ...and 
> so on. only with examples newbies can see the possibilities of emacs
> 4) a few word about the .emacs file and customization
> 5) a glossary with the special emacs terms
> 6) and all that in a separat pdf-document
> 
> again, i am sure everything i wrote above is integrated in 
> the manual but a newbie has great problems to find it and i 
> am sure many potential users give up after a few hours. the 
> best would be this pdf-file could be downloaded with the 
> emacs-file an a bundle or at least at the same site.
> 
> all i wrote above is my personal experience and opinion. but 
> i wanted to write it to you all because you are investing so 
> much time for such a great project like emacs and the only i 
> can do now is to give you some feedback for your work with 
> the background of a beginner. i have installed emacs since 
> two weeks, i have invested a lot of time, much more time than 
> i have ever invested for example to learn ultraedit, but i am 
> confident that its an investment for the future and for me 
> its also a lot of fun to to discover the possibilities of 
> emacs. but i think it would easier to climb on the first 
> emacs-hill with a short introduction-document than with the 
> emacs bible what the manual in fact is.
> 
> thanks to all again for your help and greetings from munich
> christian
> 
> p.s. maybe i write for myself such a document if a know more 
> about emacs
>  
> 
> -----Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: address@hidden 
> [mailto:address@hidden 
> Im Auftrag von Eli Zaretskii
> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 11:10
> An: Lennart Borgman
> Cc: address@hidden
> Betreff: Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
> 
> > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:40:12 +0200
> > From: Lennart Borgman <address@hidden>
> > CC:  address@hidden
> > 
> > > What, you mean your advice to use Explorer?  I just saved 
> you from 
> > > RMS's wrath, that's all ;-)
> > >
> > >   
> > Firefox please ;-)
> 
> Wed all know what most Windows users have on their boxes as 
> the default browser.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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